It was nothing to do with Lennon. He came back well out of condition..Lennon had every right to feel let down.This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Not sure why you are battling the simple factual point that Griffiths’s attitude and application is a risk that would need to be assessed. It’s just a common sense topic
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20-04-2021 09:48 AM #631
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20-04-2021 09:53 AM #634This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
I’m not sure why it’s more of a necessity with LG though.
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20-04-2021 09:54 AM #635
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Leigh Griffiths to Aberdeen
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20-04-2021 09:58 AM #637
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20-04-2021 10:01 AM #638This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Was similar not said about Nisbet earlier in his career? I don’t remember the desperation to consider not signing him based on his focus and fitness or professionalism.Last edited by calumhibee1; 20-04-2021 at 10:05 AM.
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20-04-2021 10:08 AM #639
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No one is saying it is a showstopper..but Hibs should be at least treating it as a warning sign should they have a chance to sign him
There remains a question mark over Griffiths attitude and preparation. It’s never really gone away this season . It was caused by his own actions ....I’m not close enough to it to know if that is fair these days - but hope our recruitment team are
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20-04-2021 10:22 AM #640This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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Nisbet did have an attitude problem. That’s absolutely a question over his professional approach.
Whilst it’s fair that questions should be asked of Griffiths in the same way they should be of any signing, I’m not sure why a player who brought everyone so much pleasure, has had an outstanding career, is one of us and has never badmouthed is, is still performing to a very high level in our league is being made to be held to a higher standard of professionalism than someone like Nisbet who clearly had similar issues at one point yet never had anything like the amount of scepticism LG gets. Infact, I’d be surprised if it was even mentioned with Nisbet.
This team is crying out for a maverick like LG to liven it up a bit imo. Coming back to pre season overweight once in his career isn’t something that should stop that happening.Last edited by calumhibee1; 20-04-2021 at 10:26 AM.
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20-04-2021 10:28 AM #641
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anyway, we’ve had a decent exchange on this - not going to keep the ping pong going . It’s clear that LG fit and happy is a top striker . Equally it’s fair there are some doubts around his application ..hope they prove to be behind him also .
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20-04-2021 10:28 AM #642
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NLs treatment of Griffiths was incredibly poor but he has been so public about it that Griffiths’ issues seem to have been blown up into being something which he potentially can’t come back from.
In reality, he’s inexplicably sitting on the bench nearly every week because he’s fit and available. When they reluctantly give him game time he’s scoring at an incredible rate. Celtic are an absolute shambles.
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20-04-2021 10:40 AM #645
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Leigh must also have known this contract option was on the horizon and given its worth he clearly should have had strong motivation for performing this season. Again, I think its clear from the fans that he's not done that. Hibs clearly can't match that motivation and its a step down in his career. Once that downward spiral starts then you really need dedication to continue to perform at a high level.
I've seen a lot of players leave Hibs for bigger clubs and then return later in their careers. I don't think any have been as good as in their first spell.
If Hibs go for this, and I would like them to, they have to be sure that Leigh has the dedication to make it work.
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In reality Griffiths was a participating factor in Celtic not having performed as well as they can. He might be available now but there were clearly times when he could not be relied upon. Of course he is a good player and will produce when the plays - this is why he was getting criticised for not always being in the position of being able to be used properly. Celtic went weeks at a key period early in the season without a striker.
With Griffiths it is clearly one of the factors that will be weighed up by any team looking to spend very good wages on him.
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20-04-2021 10:56 AM #649This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
No point denying this and it would be a risk. I think Leigh is one of these high maintenance players who requires a lot of man management - complete opposite to, say, Lewis.
However, at the risk of widening this argument, I’d also say that Neil Lennon could have maybe looked at himself before accusing others of unprofessionalism.
Would Jack Ross take time out from an ‘intensive’ warm weather training camp to have a beer or two by the pool? I doubt it.
I think Jack will be wary of Leigh. Our manager clearly puts huge faith in the system and work rate. At the same time, it’s a manager’s job to get the best out of their players, and integrate more complex characters who won’t be as disciplined but can also serve up the bit of magic needed at times.
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I'm a big fan of our model of signing and developing good younger players with potential. Going into Europe though a bit if age an experience to help them along could be vital. Griffiths certainly fits the bill.
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20-04-2021 11:07 AM #651
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To put this into perspective, a number of Celtic players clearly had attitude problems this season, for whatever reason, including Edouard. This may not have manifested itself in a lack of physical fitness for all of the players but it certainly hampered their performances. I'm sure we wouldn't knock back Edouard if he were on a free transfer and an affordable wage ...
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20-04-2021 11:10 AM #652
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Griffiths had a calf strain for the first 8 weeks or so of the season. I’m not quite sure how critical you can be of him for not being available at that point
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20-04-2021 11:17 AM #654
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But think there is a legitimate question mark over Griffiths: professionalism; gambling; juggling multiple famlies; and mental heath issues. A lot of money to bet he will sort it all out at 30 with still some dosh in his bank account.Last edited by FilipinoHibs; 20-04-2021 at 11:22 AM.
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20-04-2021 11:41 AM #655
Regardless of what we think, Hibs will take all the factors associated with Griffiths into consideration.
If he signs up, he'll become one of the best paid players in our history.
It's far from being a "no brainer".
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20-04-2021 11:52 AM #656This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
I’ve never heard any previous criticism of LG’s attitude and his work ethic in a football environment and have no concerns he would do anything other than act in a professional manner if he does return to us. The little I’ve seen of him this season he still looks like a player who will score a lot of goals given regular game time.
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Griffiths has suddenly developed all sorts of ‘baggage’ that is pretty much unwarranted because Lennon needed a fall guy much like he needed a fall guy when he was at Hibs.
Before NL made him a scapegoat there had never been criticisms of his attitude or professionalism. Infact, he usually looked like one of the hardest workers in the pitch and his team mates, including our very own Paul Hanlon say that he used to just turn up to training, put in the work, keep his head down and leave. There’s no reason to believe any of that’s changed.
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20-04-2021 12:21 PM #659
Has anyone considered that Celtic might keep him? £1m wages is not really that much to a club like them, considering they will have a top striker who's proven at this standard.
They will be offloading a few players this summer, Griffiths could be one of them, but they currently have a player they know will add goals to their squad, and for not that much money for them, they might just keep him.
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20-04-2021 12:28 PM #660
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I wish I was as 'overweight' as Leigh was at the start of the season.
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