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    Israel v Scotland

    For me tonight’s game is a must win, if we fancy our chances of getting in the top 2
    Denmark won in Israel on Thursday, so we need to keep pace with them
    Any early team news, injuries etc?


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    If we want to finish top we have to win tonight. Scotland need to start quickly tonight, I thought it took them about half an hour to get going against Austria.After that I thought they played pretty well, don't know of any team news,I don't think there is any injuries.personally would like to see Ryan Fraser up front with dykes he could cause them problems with his pace

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    A draw would be a decent result and it's the most likely outcome.

    Beating them at Hampden is a must.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hibbyradge View Post
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    A draw would be a decent result and it's the most likely outcome.

    Beating them at Hampden is a must.
    2 draws out of our first 2 is not good enough imo.
    Better off winning one and losing one . It’s draws that kill you in this group format.
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    Need a win tonight. Got to start more positively than we did on Thursday

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hibbyradge View Post
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    A draw would be a decent result and it's the most likely outcome.

    Beating them at Hampden is a must.
    I think if we want to win the group we need to win tonight.

    Coming second would still be decent though and if we draw tonight then that’s still very much a possibility.

    Even if we lose tonight nothings written off, just means we need to beat Denmark probably twice which seems unlikely.

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    Same team as Thursday with Adams in for Christie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveHFC View Post
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    Same team as Thursday with Adams in for Christie.
    I’d like to see SJM playing a more advanced role.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bingo70 View Post
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    I’d like to see SJM playing a more advanced role.
    Me too

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    Quote Originally Posted by bingo70 View Post
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    I think if we want to win the group we need to win tonight.

    Coming second would still be decent though and if we draw tonight then that’s still very much a possibility.

    Even if we lose tonight nothings written off, just means we need to beat Denmark probably twice which seems unlikely.
    I don't think we have any chance of winning the group. Austria and Denmark are very strong and our best hope is that one of them dominates the other to open a door for us to sneak through.

    But, this is football so just about anything is possible so I'll hedge my bets as usual!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hibbyradge View Post
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    I don't think we have any chance of winning the group. Austria and Denmark are very strong and our best hope is that one of them dominates the other to open a door for us to sneak through.

    But, this is football so just about anything is possible so I'll hedge my bets as usual!
    I didn’t think Austria were any great shakes the other night?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bingo70 View Post
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    I didn’t think Austria were any great shakes the other night?
    They were away from home and they were better than us, imo.

    Clarke was pleased with the draw rather than pissed off that we didn't get all 3.
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    Our fate will be decided in September, but getting 3 points tonight is important

    Next 4 are
    Wednesday home to Faroes
    Wednesday 1st September away to Denmark
    Saturday 4th September home to Maldova
    Tuesday 7th September away to Austria

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    They were away from home and they were better than us, imo.

    Clarke was pleased with the draw rather than pissed off that we didn't get all 3.
    Of course. We were set up not to lose rather than to win so a draw was good. Forrest being back in September could make a big difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hibbyradge View Post
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    They were away from home and they were better than us, imo.

    Clarke was pleased with the draw rather than pissed off that we didn't get all 3.
    I think that was just the way the game went, when you’re a goal down with about 10 minutes to go, everybody wouldn’t pleased with a draw.

    Austria aren’t mugs but I don’t see them being on a different level to us. If we play them 10 times I’d guess most of them would be draws.

    I don’t know anything about this Denmark side.

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    A win needed tonight.

    Can anyone explain why England games are live on terrestrial STV, while we are forced to pay SKY to watch Scotland ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Onion View Post
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    A win needed tonight.

    Can anyone explain why England games are live on terrestrial STV, while we are forced to pay SKY to watch Scotland ?
    Presumably because ITV paid what was required for the England matches, and Sky paid the amount that Scotland wanted to cover ours?

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    Don't think the back 3 suits us. Tierney seems to do well but Robertson always suffers. 4-5-1/4-3-3. That should also give McGinn far more freedom in midfield. In the 3-4-3 he was stuck holding with McTominay and couldn't get forward. An extra man in the middle will let him use his best attribute - his energy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeithMike View Post
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    Don't think the back 3 suits us. Tierney seems to do well but Robertson always suffers. 4-5-1/4-3-3. That should also give McGinn far more freedom in midfield. In the 3-4-3 he was stuck holding with McTominay and couldn't get forward. An extra man in the middle will let him use his best attribute - his energy.

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    Robertson should be dropped, Tierney is in better form at the moment so he should play. You see when Tierney gets the ball out wide, he’s so much more effective than Robertson. We’re basically playing a system to get both in the team. There will be times when Robertson is in better form and he should start then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lord bunberry View Post
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    Robertson should be dropped, Tierney is in better form at the moment so he should play. You see when Tierney gets the ball out wide, he’s so much more effective than Robertson. We’re basically playing a system to get both in the team. There will be times when Robertson is in better form and he should start then.
    I disagree.

    I think when we’ve got players as good as them available we need to find a system that gets them both in there.

    I think we are struggling for centre halves so having another one in there as a sort of insurance policy makes sense too.

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    A failure to win tonight leaves us in that all too familiar position of playing catch up.

    Austria and Denmark away in the 3 September fixtures could see us needing wins if we drop points tonight or, far less likely, Wednesday. Win our next 2 and draws in those fixtures could be very good results.

    If we are serious about qualifying then we need to beat the teams ranked lower than us home and away.
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    Chances of Nisbet getting on in the Faroes game midweek? Hopefully we’ll be a few goals up by half time and get can get some minutes under his belt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Onion View Post
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    A win needed tonight.

    Can anyone explain why England games are live on terrestrial STV, while we are forced to pay SKY to watch Scotland ?
    England are better and more important than Scotland.

    Either that or ITV outbid Sky. Or maybe it'll be the other way round for the return games.

    I think it's because England are better and more important though.
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    2-0 win tonight.

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    I don’t want to start another ‘must-win’ debate... so I’ll just say I think a win is very important tonight and I think we will get it 👍

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    Quote Originally Posted by WeeRussell View Post
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    I don’t want to start another ‘must-win’ debate... so I’ll just say I think a win is very important tonight and I think we will get it 👍
    Today’s not a must win.

    If we lose however it will make more difficult fixtures must win so in that regard, this game is a must win but it’s not a disaster yet if we don’t win.

    😉

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    Quote Originally Posted by bingo70 View Post
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    Today’s not a must win.

    If we lose however it will make more difficult fixtures must win so in that regard, this game is a must win but it’s not a disaster yet if we don’t win.

    😉
    Agreed

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    Nope, it's a must win :-)

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    Israel are the sort of team that will be king makers (or breakers) in this group, Qualification you would expect to be beyond them but they are more than capable of giving the leading protagonists Denmark, Austria and Scotland a bloody nose and pinching points off them, especially in Israel. Denmark have already passed that audition. I think with qualification in mind Scotland could really do with a win tonight. The key games are obviously when Denmark, Austria and Scotland play each other but I think you really need to be taking maximum points in all the other matches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bingo70 View Post
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    Today’s not a must win.

    If we lose however it will make more difficult fixtures must win so in that regard, this game is a must win but it’s not a disaster yet if we don’t win.

    😉
    I think you have to look at it as a must win game. Denmark are better than Scotland, Austria and Israel who are all very similar. I think it will end up a tight group which is good for Scotland.

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