Ross has clearly improved us since he came in and I definitely wouldn’t change him at the moment.
However, why can’t we win a game after going behind? It’s clearly a major issue.
Being 1-0 down and keeping gogic on, subbing hallberg (what does he do?) on and keeping allan on the bench clearly isn’t helping us.
Should we be doing better when things don’t instantly go our way?
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Thread: Tactics and a plan B
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06-03-2021 09:29 PM #1
Tactics and a plan B
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06-03-2021 09:38 PM #2
We did change tactics and personnel. We were unlucky not to take something from the game.
Gogic was very good today imo, did his “Gogic” duties and I felt the majority of his passes were forward, positives moves which is more than can be said for Newall.
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06-03-2021 09:41 PM #3
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I wouldn`t change the manager now in March either but that doesn`t mean we couldn`t get better . As for not being able to come back after losing a goal I think it`s mainly down to not having players with enough quality to make a difference against teams of a similar quality like St Johnstone today . Likewise we are hard to beat when ahead cause Hanlon , Porto etc are good enough to hold on if we get ahead . Hopefully we`ll finish 3rd this season and do something special in cup but looking ahead to next season we`d probably have to sign at least 6 players to step up to being sure of 3rd / 4th or challenging for top 2 plus good chance in cups . 6 new players who stay fit and have good attitude and are hungry for success . Ideally those 6 would be reduced by having some youth players forcing their way into first team squad .
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06-03-2021 09:47 PM #4
For me we just don’t have attacking players with enough quality to produce something out of nothing, to come on and give us that wow factor.
Boyle has pace and is a good dribbler but can be marked out a game.
Nisbet started the season on fire but is really off form.
Allan when fit Absolutley.
But when you think of some of the previous players we have that when we’re losing can produce a bit of magic, skill or quality to get us out a sticky patch I think we’re missing that.
Maybe fans not being in stadiums is having an effect with that but I think we need that addressed in the summer.
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06-03-2021 09:50 PM #5
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Just saw the highlights, it was all hibs except for the goal. Some nice play, unlucky not to score, just need more composure when pulling the trigger.
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06-03-2021 09:58 PM #6This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
I’m still not sure what our tactics are, still not too sure what our style of play is either.
We don’t seem to have the mental strength to come from behind in games.Last edited by Stuart93; 06-03-2021 at 10:00 PM.
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06-03-2021 10:46 PM #7
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07-03-2021 08:41 AM #11This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
We are awful to watch more often than not .
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07-03-2021 08:43 AM #12
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I think our main deficiency is that we don't get enough people up supporting the front one or two. The midfield don't get into the opposition penalty area and Cadden and Murphy tend to stay wide and not give much in the centre. The only midfielder who's scored a few goals is Mallan (away on loan) and his tended to be from distance. On Irvine's debut I thought he might be an answer to this but he seems now also to stay back.
We need an equivalent of Arfield, Christie or Murray Davidson.
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07-03-2021 08:48 AM #13
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The quality of football has improved that’s why we are third in the league. But the style of the football might not have but the reality football is all about winning and if we finish third this season will be deemed a success. Unfortunately outside the OF every side can beat each other on any day. At this moment in time Hibs or Aberdeen don’t look like the third or fourth best teams in Scotland but we are as the league table never lies.
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07-03-2021 08:51 AM #14This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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07-03-2021 10:25 AM #15
How many hibs fans are saying the same thing week in week out, no plan b go behind we get beat, football is eye bleeding, start games so slow , yet nothing seems to change this must be down to the manager,Sunderland fans warned us he's to cautious with his approach and this has been proven time and time again, he has to approach games with a different approach but there is no evidence of this happening
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07-03-2021 12:23 PM #16
Plan A was to get the ball quickly to Boyle for him to use his pace through the middle.
It wasn't working at all so we went to plan B, pushing Boyle back out wide and introducing Doige shortly after.
That changed the game and we totally dominated the second half without getting the goal our play deserved.
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07-03-2021 12:40 PM #17
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Plan A and Plan B both involve Boyle in scoring the goals. Our two strikers have both forgotten how to strike.
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07-03-2021 01:13 PM #18This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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Hopefully the big man gets 1 in the next game and goes on a run now until the season finishes as he badly needs it and so do we as a team.
5 league goals this season with 7 games left isn’t good enough.
If he goes on the sort of run he showed last season though he could end up with 12 goals which would then look a decent return 😅 here’s hoping!
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07-03-2021 01:49 PM #20
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We could still be playing now and still not scored.
JR’s tactics were poor, as was his choice of substitutions in my opinion.
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07-03-2021 02:05 PM #21
I often hear about a "lack of plan B" and think it's a load of nonsense.
It's the lack of plan A that's the problem. If you're a footballing side then you might want to make a tweak to the tactics or formation but you're still footballing side and what you need to do when you're in trouble is play football a bit better.
Should every side have a 6ft10 striker sitting on the bench to start lumping it long if the tidy football isn't working?
You could make an argument that plan B worked for us yesterday, as we threw on a big man who played quite well and as a team we looked a bit more like scoring than we did during the first half.
Not a lot, and not enough, but a bit better.
It was the garbage from the first whistle that I was most hacked off about.
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07-03-2021 02:29 PM #23This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
However, we had a total of half a dozen chances, (4 very good ones imo), and 5 of them came in the second half so the tactical changed worked which was the main point I was trying to make.
The fact that the players didn't take those chances can't be put down to the manager's lack of tactical nous.Last edited by Hibbyradge; 07-03-2021 at 02:31 PM.
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07-03-2021 02:37 PM #24This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
You can put players on, tell them where to go etc but it comes down to the individual players and what decisions they make.
To me yesterday the players never looks brave enough on the ball, no swagger at all. The bravest ones on the ball willing to take the most chance was Porteous, Hanlon and Doig which is saying something
Newell needs to take the game to the opposition more, try take someone on to create that bit of space or work a 1-2. Something he and Doig done once that worked.
To me the players need to be braver and have a bit more confidence in themselves to create.
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07-03-2021 04:01 PM #25This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Gogic seems to be making the Gogic role his own.
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07-03-2021 04:59 PM #26
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My issue with this Hibs team is how we transition from defence into the midfield. We are really bad at it. No consistent way to get the ball into the feet of midfielders with enough time to turn and look forward. Irvine, Murphy, Newell, Hallberg... all technical players who can play but we don't appear to have a strategy to get them on the ball. It's why our CB's hit long balls all the time, there's no other options. No midfielders recycling positions, nothing. How many times this season have we seen Hanlon on the ball moving up and the entire team running away from him. Just infuriating, and obviously coached.
All comes back to Ross and our identity on the pitch - I don't see one.
If fans could see tangible improvements in our play whilst being on the same amount of points I think we would find that Ross would have a lot more backing. But he doesn't because its the same turgid stuff week in week out, win or lose.
We're one of the worst teams to watch in the league.
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07-03-2021 10:22 PM #27
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We just need to get a break in a game and I think we will have enough for third. When next season comes we will all forget about the quality of football this year and be delighted with the more than likely long run in Europe. The manager might find the pragmatic style is well suited to no-one in the stands. He will have a harder job next year when we will all hopefully be back at ER and away grounds.
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08-03-2021 09:30 AM #28This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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The second half on Saturday wasn't good. It just wasn't as bad as the first half.
Any notion that we were hammering on the door and it was only the full time whistle that stopped it caving in is nonsense.
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08-03-2021 09:39 AM #30
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St Johnstone were playing their third game in six days, including a cup final and all that goes with that, and simply sat in for the second half. We couldn’t figure out how to break them down which is a common theme when we’re behind.
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