St Johnstone

[MWHIBBIES]

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Kidding ourselves on to say anything other than we’d have loved to have won it yesterday. Also, it’s not a choice between 3rd place and a cup.

Of course its not. But in a 1 off semi final, anything can happen.

[Keith_M]

First up, congratulations to St Johnstone. Deserved League Cup winners.


Back to the point the OP was making: St Johnstone have now won the same number of trophies since the turn of the millennium as both Hibs and Hearts, and more than Aberdeen.

I think that highlights to everybody how the three largest clubs outside of the Old Firm have continually fallen far short of their potential.

[Yorkshire HFC]

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First up, congratulations to St Johnstone. Deserved League Cup winners.


Back to the point the OP was making: St Johnstone have now won the same number of trophies since the turn of the millennium as both Hibs and Hearts, and more than Aberdeen.

I think that highlights to everybody how the three largest clubs outside of the Old Firm have continually fallen far short of their potential.

It is very disappointing how poor Hibs have been for most of the last 10 years when Rangers weren't about - it was a big opportunity to win a few more trophies. It doesn't look like it'll be as likely for the next while if both the Glasgow teams are strong.

The life of a Hibs supporter, I guess.

[Sioux]

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Spot on. When you look at the list of winners and think of the years we have gifted to first time winners. 2004 Livingston, 2016 Ross County and 2021 St Johnstone. We should be achieving so much more.

If Hibs should win against the teams you mention, then the glasgow mob should win everything. By your logic, celtic or rangers have gifted all competitions they didn't win.

Between them they've won the league for 30 odd years. They don't win every league game. Just the same as they don't win every cup game, although recently celtic have tried to disprove that, but failed.

Losing league games is just the same as losing cup games but its the overall consistency that counts. rangers and celtic will always be more consistent at winning games.

The embarrassment is why rangers and celtic have always been stronger than the others.

[bigwheel]

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Spot on. When you look at the list of winners and think of the years we have gifted to first time winners. 2004 Livingston, 2016 Ross County and 2021 St Johnstone. We should be achieving so much more.

Explain how we gifted a trophy in 2004 - we had a pretty young side, who were beaten on the day by a team with some real experience and quality in it

Or 2021..when we were thumped by a st Johnstone team that were better than us on the day ..

Do you feel we should beat these teams every time we play them ? Have you lost any objective reality when it comes to football ?

[Peevemor]

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Explain how we gifted a trophy in 2004 - we had a pretty young side, who were beaten on the day by a team with some real experience and quality in it

Or 2021..when we were thumped by a st Johnstone team that were better than us on the day ..

Do you feel we should beat these teams every time we play them ? Have you lost any objective reality when it comes to football ?

Using his logic, nobody outwith the OF should ever win anything.

[hibbysam]

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Explain how we gifted a trophy in 2004 - we had a pretty young side, who were beaten on the day by a team with some real experience and quality in it

Or 2021..when we were thumped by a st Johnstone team that were better than us on the day ..

Do you feel we should beat these teams every time we play them ? Have you lost any objective reality when it comes to football ?

2004 in the middle of our financial issues where our budget was cut to smithereens. Livingston were in the middle of their overspending and finishing 3rd in the league.

[Allez Hibs]

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Using his logic, nobody outwith the OF should ever win anything.

That is clearly not what I was saying.

[Allez Hibs]

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Explain how we gifted a trophy in 2004 - we had a pretty young side, who were beaten on the day by a team with some real experience and quality in it

Or 2021..when we were thumped by a st Johnstone team that were better than us on the day ..

Do you feel we should beat these teams every time we play them ? Have you lost any objective reality when it comes to football ?

I have referenced the opportunities we have had when the Old Firm are not remaining in the competition.

[Peevemor]

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That is clearly not what I was saying.

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I have referenced the opportunities we have had when the Old Firm are not remaining in the competition.

Nice bit of cherry picking.

[bigwheel]

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I have referenced the opportunities we have had when the Old Firm are not remaining in the competition.

And defined the defeats as “gifted “.......

[Allez Hibs]

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And defined the defeats as “gifted “.......

So what.

[Kato]

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So what.

Define "gifted".

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[Allez Hibs]

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Define "gifted".

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Define underachieving.

[Allez Hibs]

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Nice bit of cherry picking.

It's certainly not sugar coating defeats.

[Peevemor]

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It's certainly not sugar coating defeats.

Defeats aren't easy to take, especially in cup finals & semis. Looking at reasons why we might have lost these matches, without assuming a default "we gifted them to the other team(s)", isn't sugar coating anything but being realistic - a concept you appear to have difficulty grasping.

[Kato]

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Define underachieving.

Mmm. I think I know the definition of " not worth engaging with" now. Bye

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[Allez Hibs]

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2004 in the middle of our financial issues where our budget was cut to smithereens. Livingston were in the middle of their overspending and finishing 3rd in the league.

After we had put out Celtic and Rangers.

[MWHIBBIES]

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After we had put out Celtic and Rangers.

But surely, as a smaller club with worse players and resources, we couldn't have put them out?

What about 2016 when we won it with both Celtic and Rangers still in it, is that overachieving?

[Allez Hibs]

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But surely, as a smaller club with worse players and resources, we couldn't have put them out?

What about 2016 when we won it with both Celtic and Rangers still in it, is that overachieving?

You are missing the point. I'm talking about damaging defeats. Had Livingston, Ross County or St Johnstone won the Competition before in their history?

Hibs have underachieved and it's pretty eye opening that St Johnstone are the team that's 2nd most successful in last 10 years. Eye opening for Hibs, Hearts and Aberdeen I guess too.

[brog]

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I'd be more embarrassed by this post tbh.

I don't think you can embarrass the OP. IIRC in the transfer window he was condemning the club for being so willing to sell our best assets, before we (ahem) refused to sell our best assets!!

[MWHIBBIES]

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You are missing the point. I'm talking about damaging defeats. Had Livingston, Ross County or St Johnstone won the Competition before in their history?

Hibs have underachieved and it's pretty eye opening that St Johnstone are the team that's 2nd most successful in last 10 years. Eye opening for Hibs, Hearts and Aberdeen I guess too.

I couldn't care less if they had won it tbh. Everyone has to win it sometime.

Compared to Hibs own history, we have actually overachieved in the last 15 years.

[Allez Hibs]

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I couldn't care less if they had won it tbh. Everyone has to win it sometime.

Compared to Hibs own history, we have actually overachieved in the last 15 years.

You must be at the wind up.

Hibs have over achieved?

[Since452]

If Hibs had won that cup yesterday I'd still be cracking open the tins right now. It would have been great and I'm not trying to say it wouldn't be but watching us win a cup in an empty stadium on TV sat at home wouldn't have been the same. Would I take it? Bloody right I would. I bet the St Johnstone fans couldn't care less right now.

[MWHIBBIES]

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You must be at the wind up.

Hibs have over achieved?

Ah yeah, I disagreed, must be at the wind up.

Last 15 years 2006-2021 - 2 trophies
15 before that 1991-2006 - 1 trophy
15 before that - 1976-1991 - 0 trophies
15 before that - 1961-1976 - 1 trophy
1946-1961 - 3 league titles

Then 3 trophy wins in 70 years prior.

In line with the clubs history, the last 15/20 years have been successful. 20% of the clubs trophies have come in the last 15 years which is 10.27% of the clubs history.

[Wakeyhibee]

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Ah yeah, I disagreed, must be at the wind up.

Last 15 years 2006-2021 - 2 trophies
15 before that 1991-2006 - 1 trophy
15 before that - 1976-1991 - 0 trophies
15 before that - 1961-1976 - 1 trophy
1946-1961 - 3 league titles

Then 3 trophy wins in 70 years prior.

In line with the clubs history, the last 15/20 years have been successful. 20% of the clubs trophies have come in the last 15 years which is 10.27% of the clubs history.

Although I can just about remember before this period 76-91 were my formative and cementing years of being a Hibs supporter. So I am definitely with you on this one.

[Hibernia&Alba]

I had hoped Livi would win it, but well done to Saints for winning a major trophy for only the second time. Such moments don't come around often for most clubs, so it's a big achievement.

By the way, outside the Old Firm, trophies are few and far between for all of us. It's so difficult to compete in a league where two clubs are so much bigger than the rest.

[hibbysam]

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After we had put out Celtic and Rangers.

Indeed. Shows anyone can beat anyone else on any given day but it’s very rare for anyone outside the old firm to win trophies regularly. You said we gifted Livingston the trophy, they had a bigger budget, a better team, a more experienced team. They thoroughly deserved it and paid a very heavy price for years not long after that.

[bigwheel]

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Indeed. Shows anyone can beat anyone else on any given day but it’s very rare for anyone outside the old firm to win trophies regularly. You said we gifted Livingston the trophy, they had a bigger budget, a better team, a more experienced team. They thoroughly deserved it and paid a very heavy price for years not long after that.

Yep. The poster doesn’t reflect on the negative impact on other teams ..just ours ....

[Alfred E Newman]

If it was just based on budget, we should never win any major trophies.