It is difficult to know what else football can do - and it can't exist in isolation to society unfortunately.This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Getting its own house in order in terms of making sure no one is discriminated against when jobs are available and making sure that there is diversity in decision making bodies is very much under football's control and I don't really know the extent to which these things are working.
However, the main issues that get reported are in players being abused - largely on social media. This is far more difficult and this needs to come down to the people who operate the platforms. There are no amount of campaigns, gestures or education that will stop this as far as I can see. There will always be idiots who will abuse someone for something. It doesn't have to be race. Perversely, recent campaigns probably serve to keep race as a front and centre reindeer for these idiots to abuse someone.
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23-02-2021 09:43 AM #31
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23-02-2021 11:33 AM #32This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Theres a definite catch 22 element as football and wider society cant afford to ignore racism but I totally agree that highlighting it does seem to fuel morons to join in, particularly when they can do so from a position of anonymity. We haven't eliminated football related sectarianism from an essentially secular Scotland after 100 plus years so unfortunately, I think the fight against racism will also be with us long term.
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23-02-2021 01:04 PM #34
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I would have thought that cracking down on outright racism on social media would be quite straight forward. It should be as easy as victim reports it - complaint is assessed and upheld - perpetrator banned in perpetuity. Job done!
Of course it's not always that straightforward as some definitions of racism are different from others - there are definitely grey areas - but the sort of thing highlighted recently with footballers being outright abused by brainless anonymous cowards - surely it's not that hard!
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23-02-2021 01:09 PM #35
An important poignant and bold gesture at the start, now a pointless, even counterproductive bore.
Way to tear the backside out of something.
As useful to football and society in general now as another international tournament.
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23-02-2021 01:11 PM #36
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It's time to drop it to be honest. I never actually agreed with it in the first place. To me it's a sub servient thing to do, I would have preferred to see players standing up, fists in the air.
I think we'll always have a racism and sectarian issue but I think clubs have done about as much as they really can re racism. I think going forward just regular mentions on the club tannoy and eh players doing their pre match thing. Perhaps articles on Hibs TV and in the programme from the players
I wish though that Scottish football would have dealt with sectarianism as well
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23-02-2021 01:47 PM #37
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Along with what already happens in many grounds and what is most effective in my opinion - ordinary decent fans standing up to the morons and telling them to Shut TF Up or F Off.
Racism does still occasionally lift it's ugly head among the ER support but I'm glad to say that it's a rare occasion and mainly because the ignorant **** are left in no uncertainty as to how unwelcome they are among the Hibs support.
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23-02-2021 01:52 PM #38
For all it's apparently run its course etc, here we are still discussing racism and still discussing how to solve it. It's keeping it on the agenda, that's a good thing.
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23-02-2021 02:14 PM #39
I think the current racism problem in Scotland has come at a handy time for the bigot brothers. It has been completely ignored as usual, over something I think is nowhere near as big a problem in Scotland as sectarianism.
Both are terrible, but both need eradicated, yet one gets much more solidarity than the other.
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23-02-2021 05:28 PM #40
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03-04-2021 01:05 PM #41
Hibs players will now stand rather than kneel
https://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/article/hibs-racism
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03-04-2021 01:15 PM #42
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As the husband of someone who is racially abused routinely at times throughout the year (mostly at work I’d add), the whole take a knee / take a stand thing makes me laugh.
It’s a pathetic attempt to pretend that football is ‘doing something’ about racism.
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03-04-2021 01:37 PM #43
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03-04-2021 01:58 PM #44
Disappointed to be honest. Five league games to go, I thought they could have at least seen the initiative out till the end of the season.
It’s the clubs choice of course, and I respect it, and have read and understood their thinking. Still think it sends out a bit of a wrong signal even if done for honourable reasons.
Understand other people’s views on this and respect them, not looking to argue or debate, each to their own, just feel nothing is ever seen through to the end these days.
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My sympathies are with your wife and other folk that are racially abused at work. The worst thing is that it is impossible for them to avoid these morons.
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03-04-2021 05:06 PM #46
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03-04-2021 05:10 PM #47
Hibs should be clear in mentioning all forms of bigotry. Have to deal with racism, sectarianism and any and all forms of it to get rid of it.
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This is what is needed for the football authorities to act.
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04-04-2021 07:54 AM #49
When they stop this faux-American nonsense it won't be soon enough. It's got nothing to do with us, living in one of the most tolerant countries in the world and has put race relations back 50 years.
Keep politics out of sport and get on with the football. If they're still doing this when crowds are allowed back I hope it is roundly condemned for the virtue signalling nonsense it is.
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You wouldn’t think it though.
Every day on every news outlet we get told how awful Britain is. I’d love to know which countries they’re comparing us to, other than Utopia.
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Indeed, if you rely on the MSM as your sole source of 'news'.
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While the UK is definitely better than a lot of countries, there’s still a long, long way to go in the fight against racism.Follow the Hibs podcast, Longbangers, on Twitter (@longbangers)
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04-04-2021 09:44 AM #57
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To suggest it is actions such as “taking the knee” is the root cause of damaging race relations deserves to be called out as utter nonsense
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Nailed it!
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04-04-2021 10:27 AM #60
Repeating a process expecting a different outcome....doesn't work.
Taking the knee..... doesn't work
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