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    Agree that it had lost its initial impact and probably its initial effectiveness becoming just part of the matchday furniture. To keep these hugely important issues at the forefront of peoples minds I think its time for new initiatives which are very much needed given the large amount of online racism that's been reported.

    Re an earlier posters comments re sectarianism its disappointing that SUTR and other Scottish anti-racism campaigns have been totally silent on this which is essentially racism towards folks of Irish Catholic heritage or folk perceived to be because of the clubs they support.
    It is difficult to know what else football can do - and it can't exist in isolation to society unfortunately.

    Getting its own house in order in terms of making sure no one is discriminated against when jobs are available and making sure that there is diversity in decision making bodies is very much under football's control and I don't really know the extent to which these things are working.

    However, the main issues that get reported are in players being abused - largely on social media. This is far more difficult and this needs to come down to the people who operate the platforms. There are no amount of campaigns, gestures or education that will stop this as far as I can see. There will always be idiots who will abuse someone for something. It doesn't have to be race. Perversely, recent campaigns probably serve to keep race as a front and centre reindeer for these idiots to abuse someone.


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    It is difficult to know what else football can do - and it can't exist in isolation to society unfortunately.

    Getting its own house in order in terms of making sure no one is discriminated against when jobs are available and making sure that there is diversity in decision making bodies is very much under football's control and I don't really know the extent to which these things are working.

    However, the main issues that get reported are in players being abused - largely on social media. This is far more difficult and this needs to come down to the people who operate the platforms. There are no amount of campaigns, gestures or education that will stop this as far as I can see. There will always be idiots who will abuse someone for something. It doesn't have to be race.[B] Perversely, recent campaigns probably serve to keep race as a front and centre reindeer for these idiots to abuse someone.



    Theres a definite catch 22 element as football and wider society cant afford to ignore racism but I totally agree that highlighting it does seem to fuel morons to join in, particularly when they can do so from a position of anonymity. We haven't eliminated football related sectarianism from an essentially secular Scotland after 100 plus years so unfortunately, I think the fight against racism will also be with us long term.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy74 View Post
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    Nah, but when youíre told by several people that you are basically a racist and need educated it is fair enough to point out that there are more and more people that are thinking the same way.

    My thoughts were purely on how effective and impactful this now was and whether there were now better ways to move this on.
    My feelings on the matter very much echoed yours, and the overwhelming consensus amongst my friends, colleagues and family are the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy74 View Post
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    It is difficult to know what else football can do - and it can't exist in isolation to society unfortunately.

    Getting its own house in order in terms of making sure no one is discriminated against when jobs are available and making sure that there is diversity in decision making bodies is very much under football's control and I don't really know the extent to which these things are working.

    However, the main issues that get reported are in players being abused - largely on social media. This is far more difficult and this needs to come down to the people who operate the platforms. There are no amount of campaigns, gestures or education that will stop this as far as I can see. There will always be idiots who will abuse someone for something. It doesn't have to be race. Perversely, recent campaigns probably serve to keep race as a front and centre reindeer for these idiots to abuse someone.

    I would have thought that cracking down on outright racism on social media would be quite straight forward. It should be as easy as victim reports it - complaint is assessed and upheld - perpetrator banned in perpetuity. Job done!

    Of course it's not always that straightforward as some definitions of racism are different from others - there are definitely grey areas - but the sort of thing highlighted recently with footballers being outright abused by brainless anonymous cowards - surely it's not that hard!

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    An important poignant and bold gesture at the start, now a pointless, even counterproductive bore.

    Way to tear the backside out of something.

    As useful to football and society in general now as another international tournament.

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    It's time to drop it to be honest. I never actually agreed with it in the first place. To me it's a sub servient thing to do, I would have preferred to see players standing up, fists in the air.

    I think we'll always have a racism and sectarian issue but I think clubs have done about as much as they really can re racism. I think going forward just regular mentions on the club tannoy and eh players doing their pre match thing. Perhaps articles on Hibs TV and in the programme from the players

    I wish though that Scottish football would have dealt with sectarianism as well

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    Quote Originally Posted by One Day In Time View Post
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    It's time to drop it to be honest. I never actually agreed with it in the first place. To me it's a sub servient thing to do, I would have preferred to see players standing up, fists in the air.

    I think we'll always have a racism and sectarian issue but I think clubs have done about as much as they really can re racism. I think going forward just regular mentions on the club tannoy and eh players doing their pre match thing. Perhaps articles on Hibs TV and in the programme from the players

    I wish though that Scottish football would have dealt with sectarianism as well

    Along with what already happens in many grounds and what is most effective in my opinion - ordinary decent fans standing up to the morons and telling them to Shut TF Up or F Off.

    Racism does still occasionally lift it's ugly head among the ER support but I'm glad to say that it's a rare occasion and mainly because the ignorant **** are left in no uncertainty as to how unwelcome they are among the Hibs support.

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    For all it's apparently run its course etc, here we are still discussing racism and still discussing how to solve it. It's keeping it on the agenda, that's a good thing.
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    I think the current racism problem in Scotland has come at a handy time for the bigot brothers. It has been completely ignored as usual, over something I think is nowhere near as big a problem in Scotland as sectarianism.
    Both are terrible, but both need eradicated, yet one gets much more solidarity than the other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matty_f View Post
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    For all it's apparently run its course etc, here we are still discussing racism and still discussing how to solve it. It's keeping it on the agenda, that's a good thing.
    This was exactly Marvin Bartley's point on the news last night.

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