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03-06-2021 09:22 AM #121
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03-06-2021 09:23 AM #122This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Arguing anything else is total deflection. Sadly folk seem to want to.
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03-06-2021 09:30 AM #123
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You can be against the gesture without being against the thing that it is behind.
Booing is of course a bit of a crude way of making any sort of point but do fans who've been out the stadium a long time have another way to voice something?
A couple of examples of why people might boo this:
They don't agree that football that football should be trying to solve all of the world's issues all of the time and they are fundamentally against a prolonged and ongoing gesture / statement / campaign of any kind.
They still don't understand or know that it isn't linked directly anymore with BLM and that have some issues with that movement, not linked to the racial aspect.
It is happening pretty much every game now with fans in and I think it is too simplistic to say all those people are being actively racist. I think it would be useful for there to be an understanding of what people are booing about.
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03-06-2021 09:34 AM #124
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Would these same non-racist people boo through a minute's silence for someone having passed away because they don't think these things should be in football either?
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03-06-2021 09:42 AM #126This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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03-06-2021 09:59 AM #129
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03-06-2021 10:47 AM #133
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What avenue to fans have, if they believe they have a point to make, whatever that is, to a gesture?
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03-06-2021 10:55 AM #134
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If they players made a stand against religious bigotry i think it would help in this country. Taking the knee definitely raised awareness for the BLM movement.
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03-06-2021 10:56 AM #135
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I don’t stand up and join in with the minutes applause that we started to get just about every week, sometimes multiple times a week. When everyone else is standing up and applauding then my sitting down and watching the game could be taken as disrespectful. I’m not against showing respect to dead people, but I am against the practice of how it began to be done.
I certainly wouldn’t boo mind you so my feelings on it will go largely unnoticed.
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03-06-2021 11:01 AM #136This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Sorry but just sounds like hyperbole.
Maybe people are able to make up their own minds!
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03-06-2021 11:04 AM #137This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Racist hypocrites.
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03-06-2021 11:10 AM #139
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Regards your point about not joining in with observing applause out of respect (and similar to my earlier question re silences) - if you did start booing while people observed the recent passing of (let's say an ex footballer) would you not rightly expect to be 100% criticised, and surely you wouldn't hope for someone to be making excuses for you or saying it's the only way for you to express your view?
I mean this in the politest possible but most serious way - I really think you need to ask yourself why you are so keen to defend and look for excuses for people booing anti-racist actions, without just brushing it off as adding balance or trying to understand the deeper reasoning.
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03-06-2021 11:11 AM #140
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It's weird, I believe in the stand being made but was never happy with folk taking the knee. Seems too much like a servile gesture to me like bowing, curtseying or tugging a forelock kind of thing. Probably just me, although I would never boo a righteous cause.
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03-06-2021 11:19 AM #142
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Gareth Southgate mentioned something similar last night that they have to be misunderstanding something in the messaging. Maybe that’s right, maybe it’s not.
Labelling them all racists and just carrying on is fine of course but aren’t we trying to change behaviour and educate where possible in all this too?
Any campaign should also be effective and if it isn’t working or not being taken on board to the extent that people are booing part of it then it pays to understand why.Last edited by Andy74; 03-06-2021 at 11:22 AM.
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03-06-2021 11:28 AM #144
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The campaign has been very effective in raising awareness and addressing the subject, while there is much work to be done. Whether the current BLM action needs adapted etc is another discussion. But racists booing anti-racism isn't a fault of the campaign.
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03-06-2021 11:32 AM #145
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You think they are booing anti racism. I suspect they are booing the gesture for what could be a few reasons. Not the same.
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03-06-2021 11:33 AM #146This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
He’s wrong though.
It came from Colin Kapernick and the context was standing for the American national anthem before every (American) football game.
We don’t have that same tradition in the UK so the context is different, but that is where ‘taking the knee’ come from. Not a servile gesture at all.
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03-06-2021 11:35 AM #148
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They werent boing the action they were booing the sentiment attached to it. We might feel that the action has run its course or not but to boo it shows you are against the sentiment (taking a knee on its own means nothing apart from the meaning you give to it). The sentiment in this case is taking a stand against racism so anyone booing that is booing against a stand needing to be taken.
You dont boo something you dont understand, you boo something because you are against it.
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03-06-2021 11:36 AM #149This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
The folk who booed last night are f****** morons.
I’m all for educating people, but they have to be willing to be educated. Sometimes there is no understanding.
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03-06-2021 11:39 AM #150
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I know you are referring to the sudden use of the word 'Marxist' which the majority of these balloons booing couldn't even spell, never mind explain why it makes them boo an anti-racist gesture, again by way of excusing racists.
Why do you think they're suddenly all concerned about Marxism and left wing organisations rather than happy to see footballers take a stand against racism?
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