I notice that the FA have charged the ref for getting in the face of an Ipswich player. Tiny Wharton would have been charged most weeks. What a bunch of snowflakes.
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Thread: Darren Drysdale ref
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18-02-2021 08:40 AM #1
Darren Drysdale ref
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18-02-2021 08:49 AM #2
Poor behaviour from the ref but what I hope this brings to light is player behaviour towards referees. We need to get to a system where only a captain talks with the ref. It’s becoming a problem here but I hate when you see an entire team abroad crowding round a referee to influence his decision.
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18-02-2021 08:52 AM #3
I have a lot of sympathy for the ref here. Momentary loss of composure but didn’t lash out in any way.
Agree that players need to behave themselves better.
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18-02-2021 08:54 AM #4
I'm surprised that this hasn't happened more often. It says a lot about our refs that it hasn't.
IIRC, a few years ago Stuart Dougal (?) got into bother for having the audacity to swear at a player. Heaven forfend
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18-02-2021 08:54 AM #5
Noticed quite a few prominent players in the epl coming outnin support of the referee
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18-02-2021 08:56 AM #6
Seems fair enough to me. You cannae have a referee acting like that. If football doesn't want players to act like that, then those officiating the games have to lead by example.
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18-02-2021 08:56 AM #7This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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18-02-2021 08:57 AM #8This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Looked to me like he just stood his ground more than anything.
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18-02-2021 09:08 AM #9This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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18-02-2021 09:10 AM #10
Alex Ferguson used to encourage his players to crowd the ref and harass them. You now see that more and more and I'm convinced other managers give out the same advice.
That's what they need to clamp down on, not one Ref getting p1ssed off and momentarily losing his composure.
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18-02-2021 09:11 AM #11This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
I'm all for change, if they can stop teams crowding the refs then good, but that change doesn't start by the refs acting like the players do now.
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18-02-2021 09:13 AM #12This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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18-02-2021 09:13 AM #14
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18-02-2021 09:23 AM #15This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
It was deliberate and orchestrated.
Liverpool used to be terrible too. How Mascherano wasn't banned sine die for his behaviour is a mystery.
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18-02-2021 09:26 AM #16
The ref shouldn't have responded in the way he did. However, if the players and footballing authorities want exemplary behaviour from the refs then they need to ensure that they are treated respectfully.
Rugby sets a good example to football on this one. I would much prefer this part of our footballing culture changed, it's pretty horrible to see petulant player histrionics.
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18-02-2021 09:29 AM #17This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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18-02-2021 09:30 AM #18
I’m surprised this doesn’t happen more often. I don’t think I could restrain myself if I had 11 grown men screaming in my face like spoilt bairns.
Like Calum has mentioned there needs to be a system in place like there is in rugby, where refs address captains only who enforce their players. It shouldn’t be incumbent on the referee to have to deal with that. What I like in rugby is that when there’s a bit of handbags they let it take its course, watch what happens then punish them after the event. None of this whistle tooting pish we get. It then becomes the teams responsibility to self police before it gets out of hand.
I think the TMO they have in rugby is the reason they are able to do it so effectively. There are lessons to be learned there. Why have a centralised system like they do in England when there’s a fourth official and tv cameras at every ground anyway?
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18-02-2021 09:36 AM #19
Paul Lambert is making himself look a bit foolish with his comments on it as well
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18-02-2021 09:39 AM #20This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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18-02-2021 09:47 AM #21
The players need to take responsibility for their role in that, but ultimately the ref is in control of his own actions and should have known better. He has the tools to deal with confrontation with his cards rather than getting drawn into squaring up to the player. I do have sympathy for him though, would be pretty instinctive if you've got someone in your face like that.
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18-02-2021 10:08 AM #22
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The refs just need to start booking any player that gets in their face or shouts at them. Guarantee it would stop in a few weeks.
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18-02-2021 10:20 AM #23
I think rugby refs get more respect because they have more powers to wield. In football the ref can yellow or red card a player or manager showing decent. In rugby he can reverse a penalty decision and award it the other way if the dissenting player is on the side that was awarded the penalty. If a player dissents when the opposition team have a penalty he can move that penalty 10 yards further down the pitch. He can sin bin players. Rugby refs in the pro games get video playback so their decisions are often more respected by players because he has had a 2nd look. When your team gets punished for your dissent it becomes a less common thing, it's like a sergeant major, punishing everyone apart from the culprit because they know the culprit is going to get it tight from their fellow squaddies. There is also the cultural aspect which is less prevalent nowadays given the wide range of backgrounds players come from, but originally the refs were schoolmasters who were to be respected no matter what.
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18-02-2021 10:29 AM #24This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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18-02-2021 10:35 AM #25
After viewing the clip my first thoughts were good on him - I’d like to see more of this from the refs to be honest. Adds a bit of extra spice to the proceedings
Wide refs in
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18-02-2021 10:37 AM #26
I was quite surprised watching the rugby last weekend that a few Welsh players seemed to mouth off at the ref on a couple of occasions. It was something I had never really seen in rugby before. I wonder if it's a case of them getting closer to football rather than us going in the right direction.
The ref in question can't act like that but referees take a lot of horrendous abuse and it's a wonder more don't lose it from time to time. The top level guys are obviously well compensated for what they do but you see guys in public parks getting £40 having parents and players calling them all sorts. There used to be a Greek guy refereed in Edinburgh, he maybe still does. He was an awful ref but some of the abuse he took was shameful, grown men telling him to **** off back to his own country whilst he was reffing their kids games. If he had smacked someone in the jaw I wouldn't have blamed him one bit.
On the flip side I think refs could help themselves by showing a bit more respect towards players as well. In rugby refs will explain their decisions or give fair warning that if the same offence keeps happening they will penalise it. In football a lot of refs treat players like schoolchildren. 'I've made my decision and I don't have to explain myself to anyone.'
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18-02-2021 10:37 AM #27This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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18-02-2021 10:39 AM #28This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
A great and classy player is turning into a poor and classless manager.
All very Lennony deflection.
In comparison the player involved, Alan Judge, has been very classy in his comments.Last edited by CMurdoch; 18-02-2021 at 10:50 AM.
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18-02-2021 10:49 AM #29This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
It's bad practice to allow players to try to influence decisions by what is essentially intimidation and sets a bad example to kids.
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18-02-2021 10:53 AM #30This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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