Hibs statement - historical child abuse

[JohnMcM]

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Don’t know why, but I suspect this thread was started by a Hearts fan. Mischief making at its finest.

If it was, I take my hat off to him/her/it, the timing was perfect.

[gbhibby]

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Does anyone currently at Hibs know the "whole situation"? If they don't (because nobody from those periods is still at the club), what are they meant to say?

That's pure conjecture. Are you aware of all employees at the club and their length of service.

[Keith_M]

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Do you know for a fact that there is nobody at the club at
now, who was at the club at that period of time?

I'd be very interested to hear from anybody that was around at that time, but mostly the people that actually made the decision.

I'd honestly be surprised if there were many people still at Hibs from 25 years ago.


However, I think some people (I'm not saying you) are maybe going over the top a wee bit in their criticism of the current incumbents, who haven't actually done anything wrong.

[Peevemor]

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That's pure conjecture. Are you aware of all employees at the club and their length of service.

What's this, the High Court?

What are the people currently running the club meant to say, given that they (very probably) don't know exactly what happened?

[silverhibee]

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Does anyone currently at Hibs know the "whole situation"? If they don't (because nobody from those periods is still at the club), what are they meant to say?

The only one I can think of would be Tam the kitman, Tam was groundsman at the time and when Mccafferty left I'm sure Tam got the job of kitman, there is plenty ex players who will remember his time at the club, Yogi will know him from his time at Hibs and possibly Falkirk, there is plenty folk to ask, Rod STF McLeish to name a few.

[BroxburnHibee]

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The only one I can think of would be Tam the kitman, Tam was groundsman at the time and when Mccafferty left I'm sure Tam got the job of kitman, there is plenty ex players who will remember his time at the club, Yogi will know him from his time at Hibs and possibly Falkirk, there is plenty folk to ask, Rod STF McLeish to name a few.

Pretty sure someone else was kitman when Tam was groundsman. Pat something? his surname escapes me.

[gbhibby]

You are the one that wants people to back up statements with evidence. The people at the club at the moment may have no knowledge of what went on but you cannot assume that there is nobody who has not been with the club for a long time.

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Are we really to believe that Hibs knowingly hired someone who everyone apparently knew was a paedophile and Hearts fans have waited all these decades to use it to try to point score? It seems so unlikely as to be unbelievable.

[Peevemor]

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The only one I can think of would be Tam the kitman, Tam was groundsman at the time and when Mccafferty left I'm sure Tam got the job of kitman, there is plenty ex players who will remember his time at the club, Yogi will know him from his time at Hibs and possibly Falkirk, there is plenty folk to ask, Rod STF McLeish to name a few.

There's already been an independent review, surely the people who carried it out should have questioned those who were around? Or maybe they did and found nothing concrete to report?

[scoopyboy]

Not a subject I feel I want to contribute a lot to as it disgusts me.

However if I was running Hibs I'm not sure I would be issuing an apology willy nilly.

Nobody at Easter Road in a position of authority would have been connected with the club at the time and am not sure getting to the truth would be an easy matter now.

Not doubting that Hibs employed the person mentioned but did they know when the gave him the job what he had been up to?

[The 90+2]

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Pretty sure someone else was kitman when Tam was groundsman. Pat something? his surname escapes me.

Tam became kitman around 2004.

[gbhibby]

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I'd be very interested to hear from anybody that was around at that time, but mostly the people that actually made the decision.

I'd honestly be surprised if there were many people still at Hibs from 25 years ago.


However, I think some people (I'm not saying you) are maybe going over the top a wee bit in their criticism of the current incumbents, who haven't actually done anything wrong.

I think some have left the building recently who were around at the time.
If there are any people out there at clubs mentioned in the report who knew what was going on with these individuals and did nothing, shame on you. I do not think this one will go away anytime soon as there will be a few journalists out there who will probe further.

[The 90+2]

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Are we really to believe that Hibs knowingly hired someone who everyone apparently knew was a paedophile and Hearts fans have waited all these decades to use it to try to point score? It seems so unlikely as to be unbelievable.

People at the club would have know. Nobody is that nieve.

[hibbysam]

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What's this, the High Court?

What are the people currently running the club meant to say, given that they (very probably) don't know exactly what happened?

‘Sorry’ is a very good start along with not hiding the statement on our website and not putting it on social media.

[jacomo]

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Are we really to believe that Hibs knowingly hired someone who everyone apparently knew was a paedophile and Hearts fans have waited all these decades to use it to try to point score? It seems so unlikely as to be unbelievable.

It would be ridiculous. No supporter of any club can use this for point scoring - certainly not Jambos.

The Huns with their 'Big Jock Knew' stuff is really disgusting too, given that their own club is implicated. Oh sorry, I forgot, their club was only formed in 2012.

[jacomo]

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Does anyone currently at Hibs know the "whole situation"? If they don't (because nobody from those periods is still at the club), what are they meant to say?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-56019232

There's a very strong recommendation here about what we are meant to say, but apparently our club thinks it doesn't apply to us.

[Peevemor]

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‘Sorry’ is a very good start along with not hiding the statement on our website and not putting it on social media.

Hiding? Jeezo!

[WhileTheChief..]

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If it was, I take my hat off to him/her/it, the timing was perfect.

Yup!

They chucked the hand grenade of the link to the headline then nowhere to be seen and didn’t even pass comment on it themselves.

4 pages of us arguing amongst ourselves follows. Bravo indeed!

[Peevemor]

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-56019232

There's a very strong recommendation here about what we are meant to say, but apparently our club thinks it doesn't apply to us.

Hibs have said that they "deeply regret any suffering". If I had been wronged in any way, an official apology from someone who has been asked to do so, and who doesn't even know exactly what he's apologising for, wouldn't interest or placate me in the slightest.

Obviously that's just me.

Anyway, I'm definitely stopping here for this discussion.

If in doubt switch to the default position - outrage and criticism!

[superfurryhibby]

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The only one I can think of would be Tam the kitman, Tam was groundsman at the time and when Mccafferty left I'm sure Tam got the job of kitman, there is plenty ex players who will remember his time at the club, Yogi will know him from his time at Hibs and possibly Falkirk, there is plenty folk to ask, Rod STF McLeish to name a few.

Tam McManus certainly remembers McCafferty's time at Hibs

https://www.pressreader.com/uk/scott...83656824460491

[hibbysam]

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Hiding? Jeezo!

It is hiding. Every single other statement goes on social media, except this one, why? 99% of our website traffic will go through social media because of something posted, so yes, it is hidden away where folk will need to go looking for it.

[hibbysam]

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Hibs have said that they "deeply regret any suffering". If I had been wronged in any way, an official apology from someone who has been asked to do so, and who doesn't even know exactly what he's apologising for, wouldn't interest or placate me in the slightest.

Obviously that's just me.

Anyway, I'm definitely stopping here for this discussion.

If in doubt switch to the default position - outrage and criticism!

If in doubt, defend vigorously. Works both ways.

[Andy74]

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It is hiding. Every single other statement goes on social media, except this one, why? 99% of our website traffic will go through social media because of something posted, so yes, it is hidden away where folk will need to go looking for it.

Do you think this one is appropriate to be opened up to the type of comments that would follow on Twitter and Facebook? Keeping it on the website is fairly sensible.

[hibbysam]

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Do you think this one is appropriate to be opened up to the type of comments that would follow on Twitter and Facebook? Keeping it on the website is fairly sensible.

You can switch off comments. Makes it pointless and hollow sticking it on the website only.

[Alfred E Newman]

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‘Sorry’ is a very good start along with not hiding the statement on our website and not putting it on social media.

Sorry for what exactly? For their predecessors at the club not knowing one of their employees had history?

[hibbysam]

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Sorry for what exactly? For their predecessors at the club not knowing one of their employees had history?

Failing to take the reports of Neely acting inappropriately seriously, failing to do sufficient background checks on McCafferty. That would do for starters.

[Andy74]

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You can switch off comments. Makes it pointless and hollow sticking it on the website only.

I don’t think where it is published is the main issue in how meaningful or otherwise this is.

[Andy74]

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Failing to take the reports of Neely acting inappropriately seriously, failing to do sufficient background checks on McCafferty. That would do for starters.

You are speculating. The current people at the club have to deal with what they have on official record.

[bingo70]

Would an apology not be an admission of guilt and therefore open ourselves up to being sued for it?

It’s a horrible situation and all things considered I’m sure we would love to apologise but without knowing the financial penalty we might just not be able to risk that?

I know the people that suffered should be entitled to compensation and id love for them to be able to get it, the current board at Hibs though will need to have an eye on what potential impact that could have on the club.

Every chance I’m talking pish, I just got the impression the statement the club released was written carefully, probably by the lawyers.

[hibbysam]

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I don’t think where it is published is the main issue in how meaningful or otherwise this is.

Of course it is. It’s hardly going to be meaningful if no one sees it. If you don’t come onto a Hibs forum or frequent the Hibs website, would you see it? The answer to that is no. Social media is seen by far more people hence the majority of posts go on social media.