This is what they have done, and it's fairly pointless. People seem to think we are doing what Aus and NZ did, but we are not. There is no flat ban on people coming from overseas, you can still travel in and walk right through from certain countries, and if you don't fly in then its a whole different ball game.This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Trump banning only flights from China was pointless and stupid, the virus had already spread and Italy was ground zero in Europe but you could still fly from Italy to anywhere else at that point.
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Thread: Scottish Travel Restrictions
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11-02-2021 08:43 AM #61
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11-02-2021 08:50 AM #62
Even the W H O ( world health organisation) were against any sort of travel ban back at the beginning.
https://www.statnews.com/2020/01/30/...lth-emergency/
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11-02-2021 09:02 AM #63
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Oz and NZ have had travel bans since day 1, and folk there are back to living largely normal domestic lives.
You want back in a stadium any time soon? Forget the summer holiday. That’s the trade off and we’re way behind the curve in making it.
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11-02-2021 10:00 AM #66
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11-02-2021 10:26 AM #67
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I presume you will get many posts disagreeing with some/all of your suggestions/comments but I have to side with all of your post. Individuals are as much to blame as the government/scientists/medical advisors for where we as at the moment. I have personally witnessed (in Edinburgh) the a***holes you mention being selfish and ignorant from day one and still at it today. The advice/instructions on FACTS ignored by so many, undermining all the efforts of those with a social conscience and a few brain cells.
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Whilst not not disagreeing with your post , I think you are forgetting about the Human Rights lobby !
I’m sure there will be battalions of Human Rights lawyers and lobbyists gearing up for the next gravy train at the very suggestion of compulsory vaccination .
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11-02-2021 10:57 AM #69
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May I go through your post a point at a time and offer my own chest clearance.
Spain, like any country, is on a learning curve and has taken the steps you describe. Personally I don’t think they go far enough but any measure like that to be effective here it must be introduced by Westminster where border control is a reserved matter. I do wish they would just close the borders at least until the vaccine has been rolled out.
The scientists, through genomic sequencing, tell us that the original virus was eradicated from Scotland last summer but that international travel, including travel from within the UK, brought fresh infection here. The Scottish Government has pretty much gone as far as it can in border controls as it has very limited space to work with since immigration is wholly a matter for Westminster. What action the SG has taken appears to me to be an attempt to put pressure on the UKG to go a lot further
I agree that schools was poorly handled on the face of hindsight but can see why that would happen. The education of children is a very tough thing to answer and depriving children of that education pretty much impossible to countenance. They are the future doctors, scientists, nurses, plumbers etc etc. Perhaps history will look back on the government and praise them for at least trying to find a balance between health risk and our future.
Distance learning is the way many would have gone but that may simply not be enough to provide the education needed.
Personally, I think we have planted the seeds for a missed generation in education and someone will have to find a solution somewhere. On the other hand, I see the pre-school age children having a fantastic start as they benefit from such close parental attention right now. I sincerely hope that the education system is ready for a generation coming along who already have a significant ability in reading,!writing and understanding on their first day at school.
It has never been the case that deaths were or are “mostly in care homes” Nonetheless, the carehome death rate is, at best a tragedy and at worst, a national scandal. There are some mitigating factors for the decision makers but time will tell what drove those decisions. On a positive note, the Herald reported yesterday that carehome death rates are plummeting right now.
It is quite likely that supermarkets are a source of virus spread as any place where people gather allows the virus to spread. I don’t know if you are right to say that they are the “main source” since I suspect that is the people who continue to have large house gathering and basically don’t give a damn about their actions. However, if supermarkets are the main source it would only be because the other more dangerous places have been closed down.
I also do my main shop at Cameron Toll and in the early days of lockdown saw a ridiculous number of, mostly teenagers, brazenly breaking the rules. I also saw far too much of that on the bus. I rarely use a bus these days so can’t comment on the more recent experience but I am often in Cameron Toll and see only compliance these days. With the possible exception of the Gift Shop that somehow seems to remain open. Maybe they have an essential product but I’m not seeing it.
So here we are, very much in the hands of two governments, each controlling essential parts of our lives and giving us their best version of how they balance the needs of the population. Only history will be able to decide which of them got least things wrong. My money is on the SG. Unfortunately we start from the position where the UK likely has the proportional largest death rate in the world, based on declared stats.
Finally, we now see that there is a huge rise in stroke cases amongst those who have had the virus but not suffered too severely at the time. That has to be a massive concern going forward and is unlikely to be the only long term consequence IMHOLast edited by CentreLine; 11-02-2021 at 10:09 PM.
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11-02-2021 11:29 AM #70
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Kind of suspect European football is going to grind to a halt anyway. See Germany not willing to let English teams in, I think Liverpool are now playing Leipzig in Hungary? Can’t think that sort of work around is going to last for long.
At best might end up with another attempt at finishing those cups off all in one place if they can get a round or two further in.
Would also be surprised if Euro 2020 happens, certainly won’t be spread all over Europe if it does.
The problem that needs to be faced is that jabbing enough of your population is not going to be the end of this, the new focus will need to be preventing the rise of mutations that can get round the jabs, and that means no travel to places that have the virus, and still limiting mixing domestically until cases are near to, or at, zero. See Australia, Perth had one case the other week, city was locked down for 5 days. That’s the sort of thing that’s needed, otherwise the virus still infects people, potentially mutates and we’re back to square one.
The upside of taking that hardline approach is that hopefully we can be back at ER in decent numbers next season, just likely not versus European opposition...
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11-02-2021 12:57 PM #71
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The airlines and insurance companies will take up that particular fight, persuading many to get down off their fences.
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