We didn't lose the semi finals because of managers/coaches. We lost them because of careless finishing-something we have done all season.
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26-01-2021 01:28 PM #31
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26-01-2021 01:34 PM #35
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The game should have been finished long before the second half.
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26-01-2021 01:42 PM #36This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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26-01-2021 01:58 PM #37This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
I’m not saying that I think all the approve where fantastic, football wise Mowbray and mcleish where miles ahead but they had better squads Mowbray and more money mcleish.
I have digressed slightly.
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26-01-2021 02:05 PM #38
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I liked Lennon a lot but there is an incredible amount of revisionist drivel being spouted on this thread.
The fact is that Ross has actually got us to Hamden in BOTH competitions thus far where he has had the opportunity. Lennon - regardless of luck of the draw etc - got us to one league Cup Semi and one Scottish Cup Semi and lost them both. The opponents in these semis were Celtic and Aberdeen - but we also exited cup competitions to Hearts, Aberdeen again and Queen of the South under his guidance.
Yes I enjoyed Lennon's time at Hibs but he was definitely much more naughty boy than messiah and was eminently capable of making a pigs ear of selection and tactics on occasion.
All managers will get it wrong on occasion - and I share in the worry that Ross has been getting it more wrong than right over the last month or so - but let's lay off of the history rewrites re previous incumbents and quit pretending that Ross is the only manager capable of ****ing up.
NB - If we're going to look back wistfully at ex-managers then at least lets compare apples with apples - Alan Stubbs was far and away our most successful cup manager for eons. He got us to Hamden in three out of the four cup comps entered under his tutelage - including of course the joyful SC Victory of 2016. Lest we forget though - he also managed us to SC Semi Final defeat at Hamden - vs the mighty Falkirk!
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26-01-2021 02:36 PM #39This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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26-01-2021 02:45 PM #40This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Ross is as much to blame as any of the Hibs players for that pathetic display. I've been pretty supportive of him overall, but the last month or so, the team have been average to appalling (at best).
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26-01-2021 02:55 PM #41
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It’s not that hard to make announcements/statements . The club do it plenty when looking for cash.
Saturday was a big day, support was let down yet again. Absolute silence from club until tickets to be sold for Wednesday.Last edited by loanheadhibby; 26-01-2021 at 02:57 PM.
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26-01-2021 03:04 PM #42
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Lennon was handed the best Hibs team we've had in a generation and left it in a shambles. Ross has done a decent job rebuilding, but no better than decent. There is a serious question (verging on doubt) if he can make them any better than that.
Ross gets yet another chance to win one of our bigger games tomorrow.
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26-01-2021 04:03 PM #44This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
The term gets thrown around a lot but no-one can actually quantify what non acceptance looks like. If it means sacking managers when they lose big games where do we go next if we're not accepting these results?
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26-01-2021 04:05 PM #45This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Sack him too presumably.
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26-01-2021 04:23 PM #46This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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26-01-2021 04:36 PM #47
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26-01-2021 04:43 PM #49
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The County final could have gone either way (against a top flight team), we gave it our all against Falkirk but were largely undone (IIRC) by a goalkeeping error and we still had enough about us to deliver what is probably the greatest moment the majority of living Hibs fans have ever experienced. Even if we HAD lost to Rangers, Stubbs would still have been a target for other clubs after such a remarkable season.
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26-01-2021 04:48 PM #50This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Ideally we'd have a consistent upwards trajectory, a manager comes in and there's just continuous improvement with no set backs. It's possible to get that, but it's highly unlikely.
The fallout from the semi finals (which were horrendous and there's very little defence for the team and manager for them) is seeing some people wanting us to scratch the tangible demonstrable progress that has been made, to start again with someone else.
I'm not sure that's ever a great answer to the problem, to be honest.
Has Jack Ross had long enough yet? Have we made allowances for the impact of the world we're living in at the moment (and should we?). I don't know the answer, my opinion is probably not (for both questions).
He needs to win games though, it sounds simple but that's the only thing that will turn folk around now. There needs to be an improvement in performances and an improvement in form.Follow the Hibs podcast, Longbangers, on Twitter (@longbangers)
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26-01-2021 04:52 PM #51
And this is why Neil Lennon shouldn''t have been near our club. A bang average manager who also couldn't win a semi final, bottled big games by changing formation and the like all the time yet because he's a "personality" and "pundit" we have people who are still blinded by his celebrity and insist he'd have us doing things he never did with us in the first place.
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Last edited by Magpie; 26-01-2021 at 05:01 PM.
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26-01-2021 05:02 PM #54
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Possibly it’s not the manager that needs changed and it’s the players who have let us down in last 5 semi finals that need changed?
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26-01-2021 05:05 PM #56This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
It’s not just the wins that are important going forward for me, it’s the “identity” and style that are as important. I don’t enjoy the way we have played most of this season and as a result don’t feel particularly invested in Hibs at the moment or even watch all the games I’ve already paid for.
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26-01-2021 05:08 PM #57
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We can move on players who have failed to win any of the last 5 semi finals.
Ron/Graeme Mathie could be a bit more visible to the fans after semi final/final defeats.
What’s the harm in the club coming out after the weekend to say, we failed this time, we’re going to change x, y and z to try and get it better next time.
Surely we are entitled to hear from the club (other than JR) after that abject performance.
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26-01-2021 05:13 PM #59
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26-01-2021 05:15 PM #60
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