David Martindale

[Greenbeard]

No, I am not suggesting he replace JR. (Not yet anyway.) Looking for an explanation if anyone out there is ITK about the rules and procedures about his SFA hearing to determine if he is a "fit and proper person" to manage Livvie.
Per BBC, "if deemed unfit, it would be up to Livingston whether he continues in the manager's job or another role within the club."
So if it is Livvie's call, why the hearing? Clearly they think he is fit given he has been put in that position at least through to the end of the season.

Edit: apologies if already covered under the Ross Out or Jack Ross threads. I have not read these since Saturday and won't be.

[Jones28]

It seems daft to have a hearing for someone they've already decided is fit and proper.

But this is the same kind of test that allowed Craig Whyte and Charles green to own Rangers I think....so take from that what you will.

[Bostonhibby]

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It seems daft to have a hearing for someone they've already decided is fit and proper.

But this is the same kind of test that allowed Craig Whyte and Charles green to own Rangers I think....so take from that what you will.

The SFA benchmark is multiple convicted tax fraudster Dodgy Dave King.

They seemed happy with Vladimir Romanov too.

He'll be fine.

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[ronaldo7]

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Accepted as fit and proper.

[Pretty Boy]

Guy served his time. He appears genuinely remorseful and accepting of the impact of his actions, wouldn't appear to be at a high risk of re offending and he's unlikely to be working directly with vulnerable groups for long periods of time. No brainer that he should be allowed to continue in his role.

A criminal record follows people throughout their lives and it's a real stigma. There are obvious cases when it should be and is a barrier to certain types of employment. I don't think this is one of those cases. Now the SFA have made their decision he should be left in peace to get on with his life and not hounded about his past every 5 minutes.

[Liam978]

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Guy served his time. He appears genuinely remorseful and accepting of the impact of his actions, wouldn't appear to be at a high risk of re offending and he's unlikely to be working directly with vulnerable groups for long periods of time. No brainer that he should be allowed to continue in his role.

A criminal record follows people throughout their lives and it's a real stigma. There are obvious cases when it should be and is a barrier to certain types of employment. I don't think this is one of those cases. Now the SFA have made their decision he should be left in peace to get on with his life and not hounded about his past every 5 minutes.

Can you honestly say that without conviction, unless you have been affected with loss of life through addiction. Then Martindales actions, especially selling to the young and ill advised. Can never be forgotten RIP.

[Sylar]

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Accepted as fit and proper.

Only acceptable outcome IMO.

As for the notion that his style of football is 'absolutely dreadful' above, while Sunday's game against St Mirren was a thoroughly unpleasant watch, they actually play a lot more football this season than they did with Dykes leading the line last season. There's so much pace in their front line and midfield that they actually play some pretty efficient passing football this season. They're effective, they're solid at the back (only conceded 1 goal after the 60 minute mark in any game all season), and their work rate off the ball is incredible.

[Unseen work]

Anyone that can get Robinson scoring as many goals as he has deserves the job.

[Gaffer1875]

I don’t think it’s to determine fit and proper as a head coach but more of his role within football operations.

I hope he gets to continue, I quite like him.


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[MWHIBBIES]

Wouldn't want him anywhere near Hibs for a variety of reason. Main one is his style of football is absolutely dreadful. Folk think Jack Ross style is bad (it isn't) but on his worse day his sides play like Brazil compared to Martindale.

[calumhibee1]

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Wouldn't want him anywhere near Hibs for a variety of reason. Main one is his style of football is absolutely dreadful. Folk think Jack Ross style is bad (it isn't) but on his worse day his sides play like Brazil compared to Martindale.

They ripped us apart at Easter Road and looked good at Almondvale against Celtic imo. It was much better football than what we play most of the time so I’m not sure his style of football is that bad?

Admittedly that’s about all I’ve seen of his Livi side though.

[MWHIBBIES]

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They ripped us apart at Easter Road and looked good at Almondvale against Celtic imo. It was much better football than what we play most of the time so I’m not sure his style of football is that bad?

Admittedly that’s about all I’ve seen of his Livi side though.

We ripped them apart at Livi as well. He seriously plays gash football. I've never seen them play better football than us. Watch their game on Sunday. Probably the poorest spectacle of top level football in Scotland all season. Rather watch Hearts.

[chrisski33]

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We ripped them apart at Livi as well. He seriously plays gash football. I've never seen them play better football than us. Watch their game on Sunday. Probably the poorest spectacle of top level football in Scotland all season. Rather watch Hearts.

Wouldnt say we are playing any better and recent form shows tgat esp since he started managing Livi. Has the whole squad fighting as a team and more passion unlike Ross at Hibs. But then again your happy with Ross in charge

[Sylar]

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We ripped them apart at Livi as well. He seriously plays gash football. I've never seen them play better football than us. Watch their game on Sunday. Probably the poorest spectacle of top level football in Scotland all season. Rather watch Hearts.

I've watched every single Livi game this season (family have an involvement with the club and we have a close family friend who's a regular in the first team) and this is just wrong. They played some utter dross under Holt earlier in the season but Martindale has done a fantastic job changing them into a pacey, passing and aggressive team.

[Stuart93]

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We ripped them apart at Livi as well. He seriously plays gash football. I've never seen them play better football than us. Watch their game on Sunday. Probably the poorest spectacle of top level football in Scotland all season. Rather watch Hearts.

He wasn’t in charge of them when we beat them earlier in the season to be fair.

From what I’ve seen of them, which has been minimal, in their game against us then Celtic they looked alright and played better football than we do.

I’m sure they’re not fussed regardless of what other fans think of their football, they’ve got a very winnable final to look forward to

[TheGog]

If he's not allowed to be a Manager due to the SFAs fit and proper nonsense, then they really need to take a look at Craig Thompson ffs.

[Argylehibby]

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If he's not allowed to be a Manager due to the SFAs fit and proper nonsense, then they really need to take a look at Craig Thompson ffs.

Graham Rix was manager of a club in Scotland and had served a jail term but either passed this test or the club involved got round it.

Glad to see it's gone through OK anyway though.

[Allez Hibs]

Shouldn't be a question. Guy has proven himself and some. How good does he have Livingston playing.

[Stuart93]

Passed as a fit and proper person

Pretty happy for him to be honest and shows people can be rehabilitated.

I like listening to him too, very grounded

[Vault Boy]

Good stuff. We all lose if folk aren't allowed to rehabilitate and move on with their lives.

Fair play to David for his incredible job so far at Livi.

[basehibby]

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Good stuff. We all lose if folk aren't allowed to rehabilitate and move on with their lives.

Fair play to David for his incredible job so far at Livi.

Absolutely - notwithstanding the drubbing they handed out to us at ER last time out, Martindale's success has been a feelgood story. He comes across well and I get the impression he has put his past behind him and genuinely values and appreciates the opportunity afforded to him to redeem himself in the eyes of the world.

Nice to see him do well and, if recent form is not just a flash in the pan, maybe a genuine football coaching gem has been unearthed?!?

[Since90+2]

Playing devils advocate here but if he was foreign and was attempting to take over a club would as many folk be accepting of his past? If a foreign owner who had previously been convicted of being involved in serious organised crime and drug dealing would he be deemed fit and proper?

I'm not actually against him being allowed to manage Livingston just wondering if the fact he's Scottish and a manager as opposed to an owner helped him in this instance.

[calumhibee1]

So hang on -

Martindale was the brains behind the operation yet things only picked up when he took over. How did that happen? If he was the man in charge anyway then why were they not getting these results before? He made an instant impact when he took over, why the change?

They played horrendous football at the start of the season and now play a much different style to previously. Why the sudden change if he was already in charge?

Martindale was only in a less prominent role because he wouldn’t have passed the fit and proper test - something which Livingston themselves decide and have passed him for. Why did they not do it previously rather than trying to hide him in the shadows?

Doesn’t really add up, especially when Sylar clearly has plenty contacts at the club who say otherwise..

[hibsbollah]

It shouldn’t even be a discussion. There is no point in prison if someone like him, who is a model for rehabilitation since coming out, doesn’t get a clean slate. The SFA have for once done the right thing.

it seems to be the done thing to dislike every team that isn’t Hibs; but personally I quite like Livvy, despite that misery in 2004 (our fault for letting Stuart Lovell leave). To recover from where they were from ten years ago to where they are now is something to admire. And it sounds like they are trying to be more expansive in their style of play.

[Brightside]

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It shouldn’t even be a discussion. There is no point in prison if someone like him, who is a model for rehabilitation since coming out, doesn’t get a clean slate. The SFA have for once done the right thing.

it seems to be the done thing to dislike every team that isn’t Hibs; but personally I quite like Livvy, despite that misery in 2004 (our fault for letting Stuart Lovell leave). To recover from where they were from ten years ago to where they are now is something to admire. And it sounds like they are trying to be more expansive in their style of play.

Theoretically which offence would people say NO I dont care about rehabilitation - the person shouldn't be allowed that job.

[Since90+2]

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Theoretically which offence would people say NO I dont care about rehabilitation - the person shouldn't be allowed that job.

I'm sure everyone knows themselves atleast a few offences that would never be tolerated for someone trying to work in football.

[hibsbollah]

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Theoretically which offence would people say NO I dont care about rehabilitation - the person shouldn't be allowed that job.

Saville, West, the Soham guy, I think we all would have a similar list of untouchables.

[Jones28]

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Saville, West, the Soham guy, I think we all would have a similar list of untouchables.

Ched Evans?

[Brightside]

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So hang on -

Martindale was the brains behind the operation yet things only picked up when he took over. How did that happen? If he was the man in charge anyway then why were they not getting these results before? He made an instant impact when he took over, why the change?

They played horrendous football at the start of the season and now play a much different style to previously. Why the sudden change if he was already in charge?

Martindale was only in a less prominent role because he wouldn’t have passed the fit and proper test - something which Livingston themselves decide and have passed him for. Why did they not do it previously rather than trying to hide him in the shadows?

Doesn’t really add up, especially when Sylar clearly has plenty contacts at the club who say otherwise..

They are on a great run right now....the football hasnt changed much tbh. Other teams have been poor. They werent great against us, we were just awful.

[Stuart93]

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They are on a great run right now....the football hasnt changed much tbh. Other teams have been poor. They werent great against us, we were just awful.

I’m not too sure that’s a fair comment on livi to be honest. Whilst we were poor that day I thought livi played some decent stuff