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I don't think we've ever actually played well at Hampden with the exception of the finals we won. There would be an argument for the Falkirk comeback game but we were so horrific in the first half I don't really know if we can count that.
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Thread: Trophies
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25-01-2021 08:39 AM #31
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25-01-2021 08:56 AM #32
I’m amazed that people count getting papped out of semi finals and finals as success for just getting there. Especially you get as easy a run as we did this season.
In years to come we aren’t going sit down and say “remember that time we got all the way to the semi final of the league cup”
***** attitude imo. There are absolutely no positives to take from our defeat on Saturday. None.
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25-01-2021 09:06 AM #33
The fact we weren’t able to traipse over there to watch that pish is the only one I can think of
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25-01-2021 09:12 AM #34
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We are discussing whether a manager should be sacked or not. To do that you have to assess overall the direction that the team is going.
Getting to semi finals is better than not getting to semi finals. Regularly getting to them is one sign that overall you are building a team that can compete in the competitions.
I don’t think when assessing the manager that any Hibs board is going to be sacking managers for being 4th, 6 points off 2nd place and having reached another semi final, regardless of the result of it.
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25-01-2021 09:15 AM #35This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Last 20 years? Does that mean what went before doesn't matter to the culture of our club?
To keep it in perspective... look at the history of Hibs and the trophies we have won / not won plus the missed opportunities for further success.
The perspective should be why are clubs with lower budgets and minimal resources outperforming us especially when the pressure is on (finals / play off games - Hamilton relegation for example).
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25-01-2021 09:23 AM #36This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
1st test against a half decent side under pressure and we fail miserably - not even 1v0....3v0 going on 5.
It's easy to look at the stats like the team is 4th but there is more depth to it than that - the team selections - style of play - mindset - lack of leadership - subs.
We 100% won't finish 3rd - We have lost to 3rd placed Aberdeen twice already - once last season - and currently the team below us have more chance of success than us - success being a trophy. We could finish 4th and get into Europe but I would rather be in a final with a chance of winning the cup than lose a game against some Lithuanian fisherman.
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25-01-2021 09:44 AM #37
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Very interesting stats. Good that we're getting to Hampden but a really poor record once there.
In my lifetime supporting Hibs (1980's onwards) I've seen them win 3 trophies (same for Hearts) and that is a dire record for both teams. What will make it look even poorer is that either one of St Johnstone or Livingston will have won 2 trophies in the time period come the completion of the League Cup.
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25-01-2021 10:21 AM #38
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25-01-2021 10:31 AM #39
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Yes we get to more semi's and finals than others around us, but we have the same or fewer trophies to show for it. That shows we have a poor conversion rate.
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25-01-2021 10:36 AM #40This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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The thread isn't about taking positives from the St Johnstone defeat it's about getting a bit of perspective on things.
Whilst it may not be a very good record, in the last 20 years our record of success in terms of winning trophies and reaching finals (i.e. - winning semi finals) is better than any other Club outside of the old firm. That's a fact.
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25-01-2021 10:48 AM #42
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That is a completely different point to saying that it would be better to just not reach semi's and finals at all.
A better example would be is it better to reach fewer semi's and finals if it meant we won more trophies when we reached the final? Absolutely. No one remembers 2nd 3rd 4th
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25-01-2021 10:50 AM #44
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However way you want to look at it, Hibs are the most successful Edinburgh club in terms of trophies over the last half a century. More successful than Aberdeen over the last 30 years. Clubs who regularly have a bigger budget.
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25-01-2021 10:52 AM #45This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
You can hang on tightly to your comfort blanket of how successful we’ve been compared to other teams but imo we’ve had great opportunities to be even more successful than we have been.
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25-01-2021 11:01 AM #46This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
I would love to win more trophies, but the fact we are getting in to these positions should not be used against us. Semi finals are not bad. Losing them is *****, but overall if you said semi finals and a third placed finish that would be regarded as a good season.
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25-01-2021 12:17 PM #47This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Do you think by shouting loudest you are hurting the most?
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25-01-2021 12:32 PM #48This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Here's our 21st Century record at Hampden
2000 Aberdeen L
2001 Livingston W, Celtic L
2002 Ayr Utd L
2004 Rangers W Livingston L
2005 Dundee Utd L
2006 Hearts L
2007 Kilmarnock W, Dunfermline D, Dunfermline L
2012 Aberdeen W, Hearts L
2013 Falkirk W, Celtic L
2015 Falkirk L
2016 Dundee Utd W, Sevco W
2017 Aberdeen L
2018 Celtic L
2019 Hearts L
2020 St Johnstone L
So that's 5/22. Or a 77% chance we wont win.
Awful stuff. After many of the above I'd much rather have been pumped out in the first round,
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25-01-2021 12:33 PM #49This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Fans accepting failure is one of the reasons we keep having same outcomes.
Whole club needs a reality check and raise expectation levels.
No coincidence we keep being let down when it matters.
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25-01-2021 12:38 PM #50This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Not just losses but games when we have been destroyed.
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25-01-2021 12:44 PM #51This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Should we type out our messages in capitals?
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25-01-2021 12:46 PM #52This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
What a strange post. A keyboard warrior is someone who’d be berating you and personally attacking you no?
All I’m doing is giving my opinion which obviously differs from yours but in no way am I a keyboard warrior who’s trying to shout the loudest.
Are you going to direct that towards everyone else who doesn’t agree with you?
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2000 Aberdeen L
2001 Livingston W, Celtic L
2002 Ayr L
2004 Rangers W Livingston L
2005 Dundee Utd L
2006 Hearts L
2007 Kilmarnock W, Dunfermline D, Dunfermline L
2012 Aberdeen W, Hearts L
2013 Falkirk W, Celtic L
2015 Falkirk L
2016 Ross County L, Dundee Utd W, Rangers W
2017 Aberdeen L
2018 Celtic L
2019 Celtic L
2020 Hearts L, St Johnstone L
Of the nine ties we've had against teams below us in the league, we've won two. That's atrocious.
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25-01-2021 12:47 PM #54This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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25-01-2021 12:50 PM #56This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
There are too many on these boards who shout loud and moan a lot because they think it somehow shows they care more.
Reminds me of the footballer who spends most of the match moaning at his team mates but can't see (or is not willing to accept) that he is having a mare too.
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25-01-2021 12:55 PM #60This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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