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    Quote Originally Posted by Key West View Post
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    Agree he has had no guidance in a specialised position, ironically Hanlon was let down in a similar manner being part of some hopeless defences over the years.
    How do you know what guidance he has or hasn't had?


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    How do you know what guidance he has or hasn't had?
    Ok, that is a fair point, I don't know what happens behind the scenes but as a supporter I am entitled to a viewpoint and it looks like he has fantastic potential but still needs that guidance on the pitch in order to improve his game management, I don't think Hanlon is that type of player and thus we do not have a commanding figure at centre back which we urgently require, especially when things are going against us.

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    Completely misjudged it for the first goal. I like Ryan and think he will be a very good player but still a lot of developing to do.

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    Porto was targeted as a weak link today. That's from a source in the Saints backroom team.
    Barring completely losing the man he was marking for the first two goals he was fine last night. He is young and ambitious and still learning. He is also playing in very unusual times. I presume individual performance is analysed and Ryan needs to really look at his positioning for the two goals from set pieces. The second in particular he was stood in a really strange position as the free kick was taken. I'm presuming he just switched off but maybe he was a free man detailed to attack the ball much like Daz used to do. If that is the case then Ross needs to look at our set up for set pieces. If Ryan just had a nightmare at those set pieces then Ross and the coaching staff need to make him learn from it.
    Imo Ryan still has a bright future and I think Hanlon and Daz are excellent mentors for him to learn from.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robbo6-2 View Post
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    We get it.

    You love Paul Hanlon.

    Your love for him has blinded you to his major weaknesses.

    Hes not good enough for a team wanting to finish top 3 and win cups.
    The guy didn't say he loved Paul Hanlon, Hanlon was poor last night as virtually everyone else was

    But Hanlon is a bandwagon folk jump on whilst Porteous gets an easy ride.

    Porteous was awful last night and has been pretty much since his last call up

    The first 2 goals he got caught under the ball both times

    He is regressing at a truly alarming rate

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    Quote Originally Posted by BSEJVT View Post
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    The guy didn't say he loved Paul Hanlon, Hanlon was poor last night as virtually everyone else was

    But Hanlon is a bandwagon folk jump on whilst Porteous gets an easy ride.

    Porteous was awful last night and has been pretty much since his last call up

    The first 2 goals he got caught under the ball both times

    He is regressing at a truly alarming rate

    Hanlon gets it tight because he has been the so called mainstay of our defence for years and is currently the so called leader of the team.
    Porteous is younger which is why he gets a so called easier ride if his performances don't improve no doubt he will get the same criticism as Hanlon

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    The guy didn't say he loved Paul Hanlon, Hanlon was poor last night as virtually everyone else was

    But Hanlon is a bandwagon folk jump on whilst Porteous gets an easy ride.

    Porteous was awful last night and has been pretty much since his last call up

    The first 2 goals he got caught under the ball both times

    He is regressing at a truly alarming rate
    Porteous does seem to be regressing.....as does Boyle and others. Poor coaching from Ross and Potter?

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    Porteous is crap. Bomb scare after bloody bomb scare. He gets away with it too. Never rated him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES View Post
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    Can anyone show me the evidence that playing with Hanlon has had a negative effect on him?
    No, because it’s complete bull**** 😂

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stokesy's on fire View Post
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    It's not Hanlons fault that Porteous is poor.
    No but the fact that Hanlon is poor and soft as s#### doesn't help him.
    The only people that rate Hanlon are on here or managers that end up loosing there jobs

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    Quote Originally Posted by h1bs4life View Post
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    Hanlon gets it tight because he has been the so called mainstay of our defence for years and is currently the so called leader of the team.
    Porteous is younger which is why he gets a so called easier ride if his performances don't improve no doubt he will get the same criticism as Hanlon
    Sorry I don't agree at all

    It's just a cheap and easy hit to lump Hanlon in with criticism of Porteous and folk just jumping on a bandwagon rather than daring to criticise someone who for some is untouchable.

    How come McGinn doesn't get the same grief, who is calling Hanlon the leader, the captaincy for him is a long service award because frankly I don't see one single leader in that team so who do you give it to?

    Hanlon can be poor enough in his own right without taking on the grief for everyone else's shortcomings.

    If you are in the team and you **** up you are there to be criticised, sure that criticism should be tempered by mitigating factors such as (relative) youth but extending that criticism smacks of adding to an existing antipathy towards the player involved.

    As I said earlier Hanlon like all the others was poor yesterday but those first 2 goals were 100% Porteous and he should be bearing the criticism for them.

    Only surprise is that Stevenson also hasn't been lumped in for criticism by some of the folk who don't rate him :-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by h1bs4life View Post
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    The only people that rate Hanlon are on here or managers that end up loosing there jobs
    Is that a fact?

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    Quote Originally Posted by h1bs4life View Post
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    No but the fact that Hanlon is poor and soft as s#### doesn't help him.
    The only people that rate Hanlon are on here or managers that end up loosing there jobs
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    Quote Originally Posted by BSEJVT View Post
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    Sorry I don't agree at all

    It's just a cheap and easy hit to lump Hanlon in with criticism of Porteous and folk just jumping on a bandwagon rather than daring to criticise someone who for some is untouchable.

    How come McGinn doesn't get the same grief, who is calling Hanlon the leader, the captaincy for him is a long service award because frankly I don't see one single leader in that team so who do you give it to?

    Hanlon can be poor enough in his own right without taking on the grief for everyone else's shortcomings.

    If you are in the team and you **** up you are there to be criticised, sure that criticism should be tempered by mitigating factors such as (relative) youth but extending that criticism smacks of adding to an existing antipathy towards the player involved.

    As I said earlier Hanlon like all the others was poor yesterday but those first 2 goals were 100% Porteous and he should be bearing the criticism for them.

    Only surprise is that Stevenson also hasn't been lumped in for criticism by some of the folk who don't rate him :-)
    Will ask again who else rates Hanlon out with people on here and managers that have lost there jobs?

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    Sorry I don't agree at all

    It's just a cheap and easy hit to lump Hanlon in with criticism of Porteous and folk just jumping on a bandwagon rather than daring to criticise someone who for some is untouchable.

    How come McGinn doesn't get the same grief, who is calling Hanlon the leader, the captaincy for him is a long service award because frankly I don't see one single leader in that team so who do you give it to?

    Hanlon can be poor enough in his own right without taking on the grief for everyone else's shortcomings.

    If you are in the team and you **** up you are there to be criticised, sure that criticism should be tempered by mitigating factors such as (relative) youth but extending that criticism smacks of adding to an existing antipathy towards the player involved.

    As I said earlier Hanlon like all the others was poor yesterday but those first 2 goals were 100% Porteous and he should be bearing the criticism for them.

    Only surprise is that Stevenson also hasn't been lumped in for criticism by some of the folk who don't rate him :-)
    2nd goal porteous fault ? It’s you blaming someone else for someone else’s shortcomings. Irony or what.

    Please watch it again. Look at Hanlon, porteous starting positions and look who’s challenging for the ball when they score.

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    Who are you replacing Hanlon and Porto with.

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    Who are you replacing Hanlon and Porto with.
    That’s not my job. We have people at the club paid to do that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by easty View Post
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    Is that a fact?

    Well who else rates him ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by h1bs4life View Post
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    Will ask again who else rates Hanlon out with people on here and managers that have lost there jobs?
    You could ask the same about most of our squad, most of most squads actually. Who rates anyone, who the **** knows that?

    All managers tend to lose their jobs at some point. So, none of them matter? Their opinions are **** compared to yours?

    The current Scotland manager rated him, as does Jack Ross, Alan Stubbs rated him. Lennon rated him. They’ve all lost jobs though...so you prob know better.

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    That’s not my job. We have people at the club paid to do that.
    It’s also not your job to decide they’re not good enough and need replaced. As a fan with the opinion that they need replaced, surely you would then have an idea of who’s better than them to replace them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brightside View Post
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    Who are you replacing Hanlon and Porto with.
    Jack and Victor

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    Quote Originally Posted by easty View Post
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    You could ask the same about most of our squad, most of most squads actually. Who rates anyone, who the **** knows that?

    All managers tend to lose their jobs at some point. So, none of them matter? Their opinions are **** compared to yours?

    The current Scotland manager rated him, as does Jack Ross, Alan Stubbs rated him. Lennon rated him. They’ve all lost jobs though...so you prob know better.
    The passage of time has to be considered though.

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    It’s also not your job to decide they’re not good enough and need replaced. As a fan with the opinion that they need replaced, surely you would then have an idea of who’s better than them to replace them?
    Well you happily accept the next time we get to a semi final and get hammered off a st Johnstone, a Ross county or a Livingston.

    It will keep happening until changes are made. But as usual, it won’t be Paul Hanlons fault. One common theme in hibs being soft for years is Mr Soft himself. Not hard to see

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    Well you happily accept the next time we get to a semi final and get hammered off a st Johnstone, a Ross county or a Livingston.

    It will keep happening until changes are made. But as usual, it won’t be Paul Hanlons fault. One common theme in hibs being soft for years is Mr Soft himself. Not hard to see
    Tell us who would be a better fit then? And not someone who’s conceded more goals and made far more mistakes than ‘mr soft’.

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    Quote Originally Posted by h1bs4life View Post
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    Will ask again who else rates Hanlon out with people on here and managers that have lost there jobs?
    Mmmn

    Let's have a think

    What about every manager that has ever picked him for Hibs, St Johnstone and all the Scotland age group and full squads he has been in and McInnes who wanted to take him to Aberdeen

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    Keyboard nonentities who aren't as well qualified, some of whom find a balanced examination of the facts and our and his position in the football food chain "difficult" but find it easy to jump on a bandwagon


    Let me think for a moment which groups opinion carries more weight

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    2nd goal porteous fault ? It’s you blaming someone else for someone else’s shortcomings. Irony or what.

    Please watch it again. Look at Hanlon, porteous starting positions and look who’s challenging for the ball when they score.
    100% Porteous's fault, the fact that Hanlon tried to get across to cover is conveniently being used as a stick to beat him with.

    Look I have no great love for Paul Hanlon, but it is too easy to blame him for everything

    If we want to play blame game then folk need to take their own share

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    Quote Originally Posted by easty View Post
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    You could ask the same about most of our squad, most of most squads actually. Who rates anyone, who the **** knows that?

    All managers tend to lose their jobs at some point. So, none of them matter? Their opinions are **** compared to yours?

    The current Scotland manager rated him, as does Jack Ross, Alan Stubbs rated him. Lennon rated him. They’ve all lost jobs though...so you prob know better.
    Hanlon was there when Ross , Stubbs and Lennon became Hibs manager
    The last 2 had no interest in taking him with them when they moved on.
    One Scotland manager has picked him for 20 mins yet still prefers the Motherwell centre half and Grant Hanley

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    2nd goal porteous fault ? It’s you blaming someone else for someone else’s shortcomings. Irony or what.

    Please watch it again. Look at Hanlon, porteous starting positions and look who’s challenging for the ball when they score.
    Who is Porteous picking up. Hanlon has a man but Ryan is standing in no mans land with an unmarked Scorer just behind him. Jack has to ask the question if he is setting up the set pieces correctly but if it is man marking and it looked like it was then the scorer is Ryan's man. The only way he escapes the criticism is he is so far away from marking nobody realised it was probably his man. Hanlon is getting it tight for challenging for the ball while marking another man.
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    Who is Porteous picking up. Hanlon has a man but Ryan is standing in no mans land with an unmarked Scorer just behind him. Jack has to ask the question if he is setting up the set pieces correctly but if it is man marking and it looked like it was then the scorer is Ryan's man. The only way he escapes the criticism is he is so far away from marking nobody realised it was probably his man. Hanlon is getting it tight for challenging for the ball while marking another man.
    Porto starting position should be 6 ft back and he should be aware of the player behind. He’s not until it’s too late. Pretty much the same with the first one too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by h1bs4life View Post
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    Hanlon was there when Ross , Stubbs and Lennon became Hibs manager
    The last 2 had no interest in taking him with them when they moved on.
    One Scotland manager has picked him for 20 mins yet still prefers the Motherwell centre half and Grant Hanley
    How do you know Stubbs didn’t want Hanlon at Rotherham?

    The fact that Lennon didn’t want him for Celtc doesn’t tell us much. Hanlon isn’t good enough for Celtc. Neither are basically all of our players.

    Grant Hanley has moved for around £10m in transfers, and plays, and captains, the team who are top of the English Championship. You’ve just not got a clue clearly.

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