With all thats been posted recently, it appears the support have vastly differing expections as to what constitutes a good season. There seems to be supporters who wouldng be happy with top 4 and cup semi/final but quite a few saying thats not enough? Just wondered what they do view as a good season?
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Thread: What defines a good season
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26-01-2021 03:52 PM #1
What defines a good season
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26-01-2021 04:04 PM #2This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
What defines a successful season is a lot more than just a simple league placings/cup runs target.
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26-01-2021 04:06 PM #3
From my experience the expectations levels on here change dependent on how we’re doing.
If we’re bottom six people say top 6 is minimum requirements.
If we’re top 6 people say top 4 is minimum requirement.
If we’re top 4 people say that’s the minimum and we should be 3rd with a cup and beating the big teams often.
For me I always think top 4 and good cup runs is a good season for us.
People might turn their nose up at that but the amount of times we’ve finished in the top 4 over the last 20 years is very low, I’d like us so start being top 4 consistently. From there you then generate more money from Europe etc and look more attractive for better players to join and therefore have a better chance of a cup.
I hate the thought of chopping and changing managers like we have done recently and expecting the to automatically make us brilliant. It takes time to build the squad you want by from what I’ve see from Ross I like his signings and type of player he tries to recruit.
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26-01-2021 04:10 PM #4
What defines a successful season is a lot more than just a simple league placings/cup runs target.[/QUOTE]
Fair point, but im not sure if it does with regards to cups. What if we won the scottish playing 4 1st or 2nd division teams? Would anyone care? However it would certainly be levelled as a bad season if we went out to the old firm in the early rounds, as we hadnt had a 'cup run'. If we finish 4th or better, cup final and s semi, i think that is a decent season for us.
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26-01-2021 04:12 PM #5
I think there are two ways of looking at it (at least two, I should say).
What's a good season and what's the minimum expectation?
I think those pointing to 4th place and semi finals are looking at minimum expectations - to reach a semi final isn't a success, but to not reach one would represent failure. Winning the cup is success.
Finishing fourth isn't success but finishing lower than fourth could be considered not good enough.Follow the Hibs podcast, Longbangers, on Twitter (@longbangers)
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26-01-2021 04:13 PM #6
I reckon it depends how the season pans out. I get that targets at the start of the season would be to reach semi finals but when you’re presented with the opportunity like we were with the teams remaining in the competition, only reaching the semi can only surely be seen as a disappointment
In terms of the league, I’d probably be happy with 4th. I actually think if you look at individual games we’ve actually missed out on opportunities to be clear in 3rd place. The dundee utd and Celtic games at ER in particular.Last edited by Stuart93; 26-01-2021 at 04:18 PM.
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26-01-2021 04:13 PM #8
A season that’s enjoyable and we look back on fondly IMO, which can take many different shapes.
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26-01-2021 04:21 PM #10
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At lot of the good work you could debate has been undone but a positive reaction from now towards the end of the season, a good Scottish Cup being part of that and finishing 3rd might pacify the majority of the manager's critics.
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26-01-2021 04:21 PM #11This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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26-01-2021 04:29 PM #12
I want our team to be good and to believe they are good. 5th isn't success but if you believe the team can progress or is on the up then you take it.
This team seems to be treading water. It throws away a chance of a final and given the opportunity to redeem itself it does the exact same. Where is the progress? Where are the signs we're getting somewhere?
We may well hold fourth but it'll have been done on results early on. How can we enjoy it as success when we're doing our best to throw it away - and don't look like we're progressing or evolving into a genuinely good side.
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26-01-2021 04:37 PM #13
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26-01-2021 04:48 PM #14
We currently have the 5th biggest player/wage budget in Scotland. Simplistically this should get us the 5th best squad.
In a normal season (with our tosspot neighbours in the top league), anything above 5th could be viewed as good.
Getting to semi finals is good. People suggesting it's a minimum are kidding themselves on. Getting to semi finals as regularly as we have been isn't to be sniffed at. As somebody pointed out elsewhere, those like me who started attending regularly in the 80s could only dream of so many Hampden appearances.
I've already posted that Hibs used to budget for reaching the quarter finals in the cups. This could maybe be seen as a minimum but cup draws aren't always kind.
A good season is when you don't want it to stop. It's when you're enjoying watching Hibs so much that you can't wait for the next match. Unfortunately we don't get enough of that.
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26-01-2021 04:54 PM #15
4th and into Europe as a minimum, even more so when fans are attending. Love European ties in the summer sun at home, and the travels away. Absolutely huge for me.
Cup runs are a must, nobody wants pumped out early, and I love the day out at hampden. Once you are there it all depends on draw. Obviously don’t want to lose any but some are easier to take than others, but you need success at times.
There is no formula for a good successful season for me, but the above are things that make it more enjoyable for me. Very rarely do we manage to compete at the top on all fronts. Most of our cup successes come when we fall short in the league, and we do well in the league when falling short in cups.
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26-01-2021 04:58 PM #16
For me:
European football by either league standing, cup participation or fair-play shenanigans.
Could not give a Castlemaine about how it is done or about how "pretty" our "diamond" is.
Europe or bust by 16/5.
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26-01-2021 04:59 PM #17
A team trying to play with flair and emotion, players that'll get you out your seat and cheer. Not expecting to win the league but not frightened to have a go at it by not giving the OF any respect, so minimum top 4 pushing for 3rd or 2nd. Not losing heavily to any team below us and if we lose to Aberdeen and OF, it's because they've worked hard for it. Minimum both semis in cups but expect the final of one with a chance of winning it. Regular European football.
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26-01-2021 05:28 PM #20
I think it’s one we make memorable moments for the right reasons
Finishing 4th but losing all the big games is ***** (I know many will disagree, that’s fine)
Getting to the cup semi finals by beating Dundee, Alloa and some lower league teams in the early rounds but then losing to the first premier league team we come up against doesn’t make it a good cup run (for me it doesn’t anyway)
Getting tk the semi finals of the Scottish cup but losing to a lower league team doesn’t constitute a good cup run for me either (how many people look back fondly on the cup run when we lost to Ayr in the semi finals?)
Sorry, I know these points have been made a million times since Saturday however for me it highlights that you can’t judge how good a season is by marking it down in black and white. Footballs not a big corporate office where everything is judged on spreadsheets and KPI’s.
For me a good season is when we have been entertained with some real highs, beating Hearts, Rangers or Celtic for example, or skudding teams regularly wieh good fast exciting football.
If our season ended tomorrow, what would the highlight of this season be? On paper we’d have done well, in reality it’s been pretty pish for the most part IMO.
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26-01-2021 05:31 PM #21
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This fourth place would be the same as the one under Lennon. Arguably better as we've had a home advantage of 17/18k fans wiped out. That won't affect the smaller teams as much. What we need to do as a club is make sure we're consistently top four and in semi's. We're on the way there.
Last edited by Since452; 26-01-2021 at 05:33 PM.
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26-01-2021 05:35 PM #22This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Agree with every word of this, especially the last part. If people want to say that winning games/qualifying for Europe is all that matters then that’s fine if you feel like that, but I’ll never in a million years feel that way. The idea of going to watch Hibs for the rest of my life, finishing 4th every season but toiling to pick out any sort of highlight most of the time isn’t for me at all.
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It’s a good point you make at the end. If the season finished now and someone asked “what was your favourite part of the season?” I genuinely think I’d struggle to answer. 4-1 livi maybe? 2-2 v the huns? 4th would be decent nothing more but a season with a big win doesn’t seem exciting for me
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26-01-2021 05:46 PM #26This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
The one thing we can all agree on is things need to improve.
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26-01-2021 05:52 PM #27This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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26-01-2021 05:54 PM #28
We SHOULD be aiming to finishing 3rd/4th and making cup semi finals every season. By doing so, doesn't make it a good season, it's what/where we SHOULD be.
Anything more is a good season and winning something is a great season.
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26-01-2021 05:55 PM #29
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If the players have the same expectations and ideas of success as the majority of the contributors ,
We’re Doomed !
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26-01-2021 05:57 PM #30
Never agreed that finishing 5th/6th is good. If it wasn't for the split would finishing 6th be seen as good. Not for me.
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