If you "pony up" first Ron, i'll follow you...

[Scotty Leither]

I was going to donate my £25 match fee to HSL, on top of my £30 per month subscription following their appeal, but I think i'll keep my hand in my pocket until Ron Gordon puts his hand in his and furnishes the squad with a couple of players.

Maybe that imposter Tanner will ask Mathie about the paucity of the squad at halftime, but I'll not hold my breath?

[heretoday]

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I was going to donate my £25 match fee to HSL, on top of my £30 per month subscription following their appeal, but I think i'll keep my hand in my pocket until Ron Gordon puts his hand in his and furnishes the squad with a couple of players.

Maybe that imposter Tanner will ask Mathie about the paucity of the squad at halftime, but I'll not hold my breath?

After nearly 60 mostly disappointing years of support I don't owe them anything. They effing owe me.

[Scotty Leither]

In all seriousness, it's a decent initiative by HSL but the club don't seem that bothered in backing it, there's nothing on the official website, unless i've missed it?

[Chorley Hibee]

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In all seriousness, it's a decent initiative by HSL but the club don't seem that bothered in backing it, there's nothing on the official website, unless i've missed it?

The club aren't interested in it, it's been abundantly clear for months now.

[jacomo]

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The club aren't interested in it, it's been abundantly clear for months now.

Baffling and will hurt overall contributions.

[Gerard]

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Baffling and will hurt overall contributions.

The club could easily say via the website, its social media accounts and tradiotional media: Thank you HSL for donating the vast sums of money to the club and continuing to doante money to the club. I read that in the lasy year HSL gave over 270,000 pounds in what may be called the 'Year from Hell'.
HSL 'Ponys' up to help our club . I think it is time for our PSH Mr RJ Gordon to follow our exmaple.

[Pagan Hibernia]

agree. The supporters give, and give, and give. Time for the majority shareholder to do likewise.

[Rumble de Thump]

Didn't Ron Gordon 'pony up' when he bought the club and cleared the club's debt?

[Pagan Hibernia]

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Didn't Ron Gordon 'pony up' when he bought the club and cleared the club's debt?

so that’s his job done is it?

[Daniel 1875]

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In all seriousness, it's a decent initiative by HSL but the club don't seem that bothered in backing it, there's nothing on the official website, unless i've missed it?

In fairness the club were made aware of the campaign this morning, on a matchday where the limited staff at the club are undoubtedly running around doing other things.

We can’t always wait on approval or responses from the club before running with things as it would mean a delay to getting stuff moving at times.

Ron Gordon has different views on fan ownership to Tom Farmer but the club have been supportive in recent months and I’m sure they’ll be supportive of this.

[Vault Boy]

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so that’s his job done is it?

Who said that? The point was that he cleared the debt and made a cash injection to the club, spending millions in doing so. If that's not 'ponying up' I don't know what is.

[Alfred E Newman]

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so that’s his job done is it?

You can't blame Ron Gordon for this shambles. It's squarely down to the coaching staff and players.

[Rumble de Thump]

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so that’s his job done is it?

He's already announced details of how he intends to improve various aspects of the club. When we're over the pandemic hopefully we'll some action regarding that. That's his job after all.

[Glory Lurker]

Aberdeen and Hearts fans who can afford it aren’t sitting back expecting somebody else to put in.

[Pretty Boy]

I'm not going to knock Ron Gordon and his financial contribution. Far from it.

However I think the club should be doing far more to promote HSL. It's essentially asking fans to make a financial donation to the club over and above their ST, strip, Happy Hibee ticket and various other things. The share option has been removed so there is nothing tangible in return. A better team on the park is not guaranteed and it's subjective.

I understand there are potential restrictions around what Hibs can do but from what I see on social media the likes of Hearts and Motherwell do far, far more to promote their respective schemes.

[Pagan Hibernia]

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Who said that? The point was that he cleared the debt and made a cash injection to the club, spending millions in doing so. If that's not 'ponying up' I don't know what is.

yes and HSL have invested over a million too. And continue to invest every month. The original OP thinks RG should continue ponying up. I agree with that.

maybe he already is. In which case, thanks Ron. Keep it up.

[Pagan Hibernia]

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You can't blame Ron Gordon for this shambles. It's squarely down to the coaching staff and players.

I don’t blame him for this. Not even slightly.

[Scotty Leither]

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In fairness the club were made aware of the campaign this morning, on a matchday where the limited staff at the club are undoubtedly running around doing other things.

We can’t always wait on approval or responses from the club before running with things as it would mean a delay to getting stuff moving at times.

Ron Gordon has different views on fan ownership to Tom Farmer but the club have been supportive in recent months and I’m sure they’ll be supportive of this.

Eh? I got my email on Thursday - that's a full 48 hours before today and not a whisper on the club website.

Gordon might have different view on fan ownership - i.e. he's not keen on it - but this is free money for the club, and I don't understand the club's reticence.

It's reminiscent of Petrie and Forsyth's woeful attempts at PR - radio silence and hope the natives don't notice.

[Daniel 1875]

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Eh? I got my email on Thursday - that's a full 48 hours before today and not a whisper on the club website.

Gordon might have different view on fan ownership - i.e. he's not keen on it - but this is free money for the club, and I don't understand the club's reticence.

It's reminiscent of Petrie and Forsyth's woeful attempts at PR - radio silence and hope the natives don't notice.

The HS board launched the Hampden £100k campaign on Thursday. I emailed the club this morning to make them aware of it and ask them for some help.

One member of staff is on holiday until Monday and the other will have been at the stadium running the match day operation today. I’d hope we’ll get a response next week.

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The HS board launched the Hampden £100k campaign on Thursday. I emailed the club this morning to make them aware of it and ask them for some help.

One member of staff is on holiday until Monday and the other will have been at the stadium running the match day operation today. I’d hope we’ll get a response next week.

Fair play to you coming back so quickly, Daniel - but it's not just this one latest initiative - there (seems) to be zero to none enthusiasm for it at Board level, as there's never a peep from them about it.

As far as i'm aware, Gordon has stated there'll be no more dilution of his shareholding, so what's his issue with lending his considerable media experience to boost HSL's profile?

i genuinely don't get his stance, and as I said in a previous post I detect the dead hand of Benchmark PR in the club's approach to this.

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yes and HSL have invested over a million too. And continue to invest every month. The original OP thinks RG should continue ponying up. I agree with that.

maybe he already is. In which case, thanks Ron. Keep it up.

At a time when many people are concerned about job security and paying essential bills; Hibs are not an essential product compared to the basic essentials of living. They are an important part of many people's lives. HSL is making a very important contribution to the club's income at a time when the games are missing from attending supporters and away fans. I know that the club has a lot on its plate and the staff are doing their best in toiugh circumstances.

With the use of technology it is not hard to communicate with the fans and encourage them to donate money to the club. HSL is the second largest share holder and continues to be a generous supporter of the club with large donations.

I am sure that the many Hibs fans websites are read from time to time. The majority of fans are rational in what they post and want from the club. I think it is time that the club are clear about the continuing money HSL gives to the club. If they are looking to have thier own system of fans giving to the club that is a potential way to go forward. I would potentially support this venture.

I can understand Mr Gordon's position as he has the controlling amount of shares in the club apprx 67 Percent. He has paid off our debts and injected money into the club and that is to the club's benefit. There are many people who are very happy to help the club if asked. If Mr Gordon takes the position that this help is not required that is his choice and I wish him all the best.

[Daniel 1875]

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Fair play to you coming back so quickly, Daniel - but it's not just this one latest initiative - there (seems) to be zero to none enthusiasm for it at Board level, as there's never a peep from them about it.

As far as i'm aware, Gordon has stated there'll be no more dilution of his shareholding, so what's his issue with lending his considerable media experience to boost HSL's profile?

i genuinely don't get his stance, and as I said in a previous post I detect the dead hand of Benchmark PR in the club's approach to this.

I can’t speak for the Hibs board as I’ve never dealt directly with them. But what I can say is that the staff at the club have been helpful in promoting what we’re trying to do.

Since the summer they’ve given us various prizes, included an ad in the match programmes, included HS in the club mail shots and given us a prime slot on the home match coverage for an advert.

I’ve yet to speak to anyone about what we can do together for this month’s initiative but it’s worth remembering the club are still running on a reduced staff base due to redundancies and furlough. They’ve been willing to help wherever they can in recent months.

The relationship between Ron Gordon and the guys on the HS board is decent enough. He has recently invested a large sum of money in the club and doesn’t have any interest in decreasing his stake. The recent appointments to the board show he is looking to grow the club’s presence in commercial Edinburgh and bring some big businesses closer to the club.

It’s understandable that there will be frustrations when things aren’t going too well on the pitch, and we are likely to face difficulties in asking supporters for more money at this time of year. But all HS can do at the moment is continue to try and help the club with ongoing significant financial support.

[Purple & Green]

Forsyth is still there.

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Eh? I got my email on Thursday - that's a full 48 hours before today and not a whisper on the club website.

Gordon might have different view on fan ownership - i.e. he's not keen on it - but this is free money for the club, and I don't understand the club's reticence.

It's reminiscent of Petrie and Forsyth's woeful attempts at PR - radio silence and hope the natives don't notice.

[Scotty Leither]

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Forsyth is still there.

I know - although i'm baffled as to why.

[Scotty Leither]

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I can’t speak for the Hibs board as I’ve never dealt directly with them. But what I can say is that the staff at the club have been helpful in promoting what we’re trying to do.

Since the summer they’ve given us various prizes, included an ad in the match programmes, included HS in the club mail shots and given us a prime slot on the home match coverage for an advert.

I’ve yet to speak to anyone about what we can do together for this month’s initiative but it’s worth remembering the club are still running on a reduced staff base due to redundancies and furlough. They’ve been willing to help wherever they can in recent months.

The relationship between Ron Gordon and the guys on the HS board is decent enough. He has recently invested a large sum of money in the club and doesn’t have any interest in decreasing his stake. The recent appointments to the board show he is looking to grow the club’s presence in commercial Edinburgh and bring some big businesses closer to the club.

It’s understandable that there will be frustrations when things aren’t going too well on the pitch, and we are likely to face difficulties in asking supporters for more money at this time of year. But all HS can do at the moment is continue to try and help the club with ongoing significant financial support.

First of all Daniel, I 100% laud you for your efforts and I wouldn't try to draw you onto a hook about HSL's relationship with the Board, but for you not to have any contact with them as the guy who comes on here to drum up support for HSL is a poor state of affairs, and reflects badly on the club. So keep on doing what you're doing and I wish you well in your efforts.

On that note though, this is maybe one for the fans' rep: What's the club's take on HSL, Kieran, and why do they appear to operate an arms-length relationship with them?

[Viva_Palmeiras]

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First of all Daniel, I 100% laud you for your efforts and I wouldn't try to draw you onto a hook about HSL's relationship with the Board, but for you not to have any contact with them as the guy who comes on here to drum up support for HSL is a poor state of affairs, and reflects badly on the club. So keep on doing what you're doing and I wish you well in your efforts.

On that note though, this is maybe one for the fans' rep: What's the club's take on HSL, Kieran, and why do they appear to operate an arms-length relationship with them?

Is it not the case for tax purposes that there needs to be seen to be a degree of separation from the club and HSL?

[CropleyWasGod]

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Is it not the case for tax purposes that there needs to be seen to be a degree of separation from the club and HSL?

It is.

And has been said many times, on here and elsewhere.

[Scotty Leither]

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It is.

And has been said many times, on here and elsewhere.

So for us less well-informed mortals not versed in the intricacies of company law, if they're that hung up on even publicly thanking HSL and the fans for their efforts for fear of breaking the law, what's to stop the club forming its own publically endorsed supporter donation initiative run along the lines of Aberdeen and their AberDNA set up?

Anyone on here or from the club like to enlighten us?

[Vault Boy]

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So for us less well-informed mortals not versed in the intricacies of company law, if they're that hung up on even publicly thanking HSL and the fans for their efforts for fear of breaking the law, what's to stop the club forming its own publically endorsed supporter donation initiative run along the lines of Aberdeen and their AberDNA set up?

Anyone on here or from the club like to enlighten us?

Hibs would lose money on that as they'd be subject to tax rules that HSL aren't. We're better off putting money into the club through HSL.

Can see it maybe happening a few years down the line though.

[CropleyWasGod]

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So for us less well-informed mortals not versed in the intricacies of company law, if they're that hung up on even publicly thanking HSL and the fans for their efforts for fear of breaking the law, what's to stop the club forming its own publically endorsed supporter donation initiative run along the lines of Aberdeen and their AberDNA set up?

Anyone on here or from the club like to enlighten us?

Aberdeen will pay VAT (and Corporation Tax) on their income, as it's linked to goods and services.