Players are employees of the club so should be aware of the rules. In the case of Aberdeen and Celtic the players knew the rules and chose to break them. The players must abide by the rules of the SPFL so if they break the rules as employees of the club the club has broken the rules. Sanctions should be applied retrospectively to both Celtic and Aberdeen otherwise the SPFL look like they favour certain clubs.
In business when bankers were breaking the rules even if the banks were unaware of what was happening, the financial authorities fined the banks huge amounts. It called collective responsibility.
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Thread: St Mirren and Killie
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03-12-2020 06:55 PM #91
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03-12-2020 07:07 PM #92
These forfeitures of points could be a good thing for Scottish football.
The precedent has now been well and truly set. Should one or both the uglies get into the same position as Killie and St Mirren then forfeiture must happen.
If not, the bias towards the west coast is there for all to see and challenge publicly, perhaps legally. On the other hand if the forfeiture is made the first real step in permanently breaking the bias is taken.
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03-12-2020 07:08 PM #93This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Claiming that the players can break rules and be punished individually even when it means that games have to get postponed etc is a nonsense.
They represent the club. When their behaviour leads to their club not being able to fulfil fixtures then the club they represent should be punished along with the player.
Of course there was absolutely no chance Celtic would ever have got punished in the same vein as St Mirren and Killie.
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03-12-2020 07:09 PM #94This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Footballers going to the pub with their mates has nothing to do with their profession.
Surely you can see the difference.
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03-12-2020 07:15 PM #95
OK, two admittedly contrived scenarios...
Suppose that teams A and B are in a relegation battle and play each other on the last day of the season. Team A will only survive if they win by 4 goals. Team B announce they can't field a team and take the 3-0 loss, which keeps them safe.
The same situation could arise at the top of the table (or in the Euro places). Say celtc need to beat sevco by 4 goals for 10IAR - sevco similarly announce covid, take a 3-0 loss, and win the title.
I know it's unlikely, but surely this would be possible?
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03-12-2020 07:22 PM #96
SPFL have made a total tit of this so far this season. They should have put out a set of guidelines/rules for the clubs at the offset so it was clear what would happen in the incidence of a breach.
Now we've got an instance where Aberdeen and Celtc (fined), Rangers (7 game suspension and players fined), Killie and St Mirren (fined and forfeited games) have all experienced varying punishments.
Celtc's breach was arguably the worst of the lot and they've had the leanest punishment.
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03-12-2020 07:31 PM #97This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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03-12-2020 07:48 PM #98This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Clubs being punished for players breaking the rules in their own time is just nonsense. Even when players are caught taking drugs, it's the player not the club who is punished.
Anyway, we're obviously never going to agree.
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03-12-2020 08:19 PM #101This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
You could split hairs about the margin, but the margin needs to be the same on every occasion, and that is the recognised standard
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03-12-2020 08:28 PM #102
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Absolutely ridiculous. You'd be raging if it was us. How about Aberdeen or Celtic getting retrospectively punished then?
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03-12-2020 08:31 PM #103
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03-12-2020 08:43 PM #104
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03-12-2020 08:45 PM #105
How about this -
Hibs and Rangers make it to the League Cup final.
Jamie Murphy is told by his parent club, ie. Rangers (I know we're signing him afterward but that doesn't suit my story), to go to a house party the weekend before the final and hug, cuddle and snog dozens of total strangers.
Within minutes videos are posted all over social media.
Should Hibs forfeit the match or should Murphy be suspended/punished?
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03-12-2020 08:55 PM #106
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03-12-2020 10:05 PM #107This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show QuoteThere is no such thing as too much yarn, just not enough time.
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03-12-2020 10:21 PM #108
Utterly farcical decision. By all means deduct killie and st mirren points but why give Motherwell 3-0 wins. Where’s is the sporting integrity in that. I sincerely hope this doesn’t affect European places or more importantly relegation. Should St Mirren finish last on goal difference or by a point we will have the whole summer with everybody and his granny debating if the decision was fair. The hertz farce where the league had no choice will be old hat compared the the stooshie this could cause. I’m not bothered that we’ll have gained six points and six goals without doing anything, farcical though it is, it’s the impression that others will get of the spl. A Mickey Mouse league with incompetence abounding. This is not Sunday leagues where the team sheets haven’t been filled in correctly. Utterly baffling that the sfa can’t see the .... storm they have created. God forbid we fall foul and if it happens to one of the bigot bros would anybody be surprised if they wriggle out of losing points. Yet another new low for Scottish football. Bravo you utter clowns.
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03-12-2020 10:32 PM #109This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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With a truncated season (for some), International breaks, last season's Scottish Cup to finish, teams playing in Europe and matches postponed due to Covid (where clubs are not at fault), there's a real risk of an unmanageable backlog come the springtime.
With this in mind it has been decided that there will be no replays in the SC this year and, it would seem, that matches are to be forfeited in cases of Covid mismanagement.
The standard penalty for forfeiting a match is a 3-0 defeat.
Would people be so outraged on here had it been us that picked up the points & GD as opposed to Motherwell? I doubt it.
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03-12-2020 11:34 PM #111
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The other issue is that fans miss out games on their season tickets that could still be played. Fans have already massively supported clubs and are not really getting a huge amount in return. Killie fans will now miss two games on their seasons and Buddies fans one. That just is unfair and given how long the season has to go not needed. For starters only St Mirren are still in the Betfred so Killie could either play Motherwell or Hamilton when the Betfred quarters are played. The punishment may be fine but the rewards are wrong and unnecessary.
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03-12-2020 11:35 PM #112
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04-12-2020 06:49 AM #115
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Have to say this doesn't sit well with me at all. I'll admit that there is some inherent bias in that suddenly 4th place doesn't look so comfortable anymore.
What's the bet that either 4th place or relegation goes down to goal difference this season?
I think my main problem with the covid stuff is Scottish football had an age to prepare for the new season, but still failed to have a clear set of rules and punishments in place for the start of the season. This has led to a feeling of the authorities making it up as they go along.
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04-12-2020 06:53 AM #116
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Another point - in light of this, how the hell are Celtic allowed to go off on a jolly to Dubai next month?
Surely that is ridiculously reckless in the current environment? It'll be very interesting to see what happens if there is a covid outbreak off the back of this.
Given the tough stance in these cases, I can't see /understand how in the same week a club has been allowed to take their players out of the country for a club holiday and force a fixture to be moved to accommodate this.
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If we finish comfortably above Motherwell but finish only one point above Killie should we then be grateful that Killie got the penalty.
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