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    World Cup 2022 qualifying draw

    Monday 7th December. We're in pot 3 and will have to make the top two of our group.

    Looking at the groupings, difficulty could probably range from:

    Belgium, Switzerland, Scotland, Bosnia, Cyprus

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    Denmark, Romania, Scotland, Luxembourg, Andorra, San Marino


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    Stick on to get Israel again

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    Just looked at previous qualifiers, 19 or 20 points required for 2nd.

    16 from seeds 4-6
    3 from seed 2
    1 from seed 1

    Games against the smaller nations are pivotal to avoid needing miracles in the big games

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    Just looked at previous qualifiers, 19 or 20 points required for 2nd.

    16 from seeds 4-6
    3 from seed 2
    1 from seed 1

    Games against the smaller nations are pivotal to avoid needing miracles in the big games
    Basically have to beat all the crap, and win the head to head with the pot 2 side.

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    We didnae want to go to Qatar anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hibbysam View Post
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    Basically have to beat all the crap, and win the head to head with the pot 2 side.
    Aye, that should give us a great chance

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diclonius View Post
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    Monday 7th December. We're in pot 3 and will have to make the top two of our group.

    Looking at the groupings, difficulty could probably range from:

    Belgium, Switzerland, Scotland, Bosnia, Cyprus

    to

    Denmark, Romania, Scotland, Luxembourg, Andorra, San Marino
    Is it not just the group winners plus 2 best runners up or something?

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    Is it not just the group winners plus 2 best runners up or something?
    All 10 group winners qualify, 12 teams (the 10 runners up and the top 2 Nations League group winners that finished outside the top 2 of qualifying) then go forward to 3 play off paths and play 2 rounds of single match play offs and the 3 winners from each path also qualify for the World Cup to make up Europe's 13 places.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hibbysam View Post
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    Basically have to beat all the crap, and win the head to head with the pot 2 side.
    Can already tell the opening game will be a 0-0 draw away to Estonia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hibbysam View Post
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    Basically have to beat all the crap, and win the head to head with the pot 2 side.
    The problem is there aren’t many really crap sides around and we are closer to being their level than the pot 2 level.

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    The problem is there aren’t many really crap sides around and we are closer to being their level than the pot 2 level.
    You think? I’d be extremely confident in competing with Romania, Slovakia, Wales etc while pumping every single team in pot 5/6 and vast majority of pot 4.

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    You think? I’d be extremely confident in competing with Romania, Slovakia, Wales etc while pumping every single team in pot 5/6 and vast majority of pot 4.
    Wales would beat Scotland.

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    Guaranteed to get Belgium and Israel. These things come round in twos and threes.

    I’ve not liked the Belgian national team since the 2-2 heartbreak at Hampden when Van Buyten scored that late header to plunge us into the dark ages.

    We should just arrange a few friendlies with Israel too and make it a best of 9 series.

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    Wales would beat Scotland.
    Possibly. Scotland would compete with Wales in both games, there really is very little between the two.

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    The days of a top two finish from a group of 5 being enough are long gone and there is a lot more quality around these days than there has ever been.....there will be big names missing when the draw in 2022 comes along. Every Hampden game now is a MUST win, away ties against the pot 4s and below are MUST wins. Actually the gap in quality between the European teams now is not huge, little decisions here and there in individual games will decide a few countries fate. We will need a bit of luck but more importantly, we need to avoid bad luck (see Czech Rep 2011....still hurts that one).

    The big negative is the squad that got us to the Euro's and to runners up in the Nations League group are not good enough to get us to a world cup, the positive is that it is a young team and they will be better and more experienced this time next year....Clarke will also be much more savy to the international game. Who we get in the draw will be a big factor in our chances that is true....but more importantly we need to be looking for more quality to come in, be it pinching quality players with Scottish grannies (Che Adams?) or someone from the U21s to make a leap forward (Hornby, Turnbull, Porteous, etc).

    We need to improve a hell of a lot from where we are, thing is we are improving though. Even our Slovakia defeat was night and day from our last trip there.....it was a 50:50 game that arguably on the balance of play we should have won. If the improvement continues at this rate then no one will want to play us, if it stalls or if this is the peak then we will struggle. Lets hope its the former.......come on Scotland, we love you!

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    Possibly. Scotland would compete with Wales in both games, there really is very little between the two.
    In the last 4 years Wales have reached the semi finals of a major tournament, won their Nations League group most recently conceding the least amount of goals in the competition. Scotland are a long way off that level.

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    In the last 4 years Wales have reached the semi finals of a major tournament, won their Nations League group most recently conceding the least amount of goals in the competition. Scotland are a long way off that level.
    Scotland are miles off the level of Wales at the moment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir David Gray View Post
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    Scotland are miles off the level of Wales at the moment.
    Disagree wouldn't be much in it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimBHibees View Post
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    Disagree wouldn't be much in it.
    Agreed. Wales are a better side at the moment but there's definitely a chance for us on our day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Speedy View Post
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    Agreed. Wales are a better side at the moment but there's definitely a chance for us on our day.
    They have good players but seem quite dependent on Bale and Ramsey.we would be competitive with them without doubt imo.

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    They have good players but seem quite dependent on Bale and Ramsey.we would be competitive with them without doubt imo.
    If you were doing a Wales/Scotland mix team there would be more blue shirts I have no doubt......but they have something we don't, creativity. In Bale and Ramsey they have two players who can open a defense at a second's notice and turn a game on its head. We showed in Slovakia and Israel that we can dominate play and be the better team but lack that spark and that clinical finish needed to convert dominance into results.
    Wales don't need 11 top quality players who can do that when they have a Bale or a Ramsey who can unwrite 89 minutes of headlines with a couple of world class touches. Still, would not be scared of drawing them in our group....no other team in pot 2 is more open to a single injury derailing the whole team as they are.

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    In the last 4 years Wales have reached the semi finals of a major tournament, won their Nations League group most recently conceding the least amount of goals in the competition. Scotland are a long way off that level.
    They drew 0-0 with Ireland and beat them 1-0 in a game they were fortunate to win. Baring in mind Ireland are fairly crap just now, then no, Wales aren’t miles ahead of Scotland.

    There’s no doubt Wales are a decent side with good players. Scotland are also a good side with decent players though, it’s certainly no foregone conclusion that we’d lose both games against them.

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    If you were doing a Wales/Scotland mix team there would be more blue shirts I have no doubt......but they have something we don't, creativity. In Bale and Ramsey they have two players who can open a defense at a second's notice and turn a game on its head. We showed in Slovakia and Israel that we can dominate play and be the better team but lack that spark and that clinical finish needed to convert dominance into results.
    Wales don't need 11 top quality players who can do that when they have a Bale or a Ramsey who can unwrite 89 minutes of headlines with a couple of world class touches. Still, would not be scared of drawing them in our group....no other team in pot 2 is more open to a single injury derailing the whole team as they are.
    Bale, James, Wilson, Brooks, Ramsey would all start. Rodon and Davies both play for Tottenham. Neco Williams on the books of Liverpool.

    No harm in backing the Scottish players from a patriotic point of view but to say Scotland are better than Wales is criminal.

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    They have good players but seem quite dependent on Bale and Ramsey.we would be competitive with them without doubt imo.
    Ramsey has hardly played for them over the last couple of years.

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    They drew 0-0 with Ireland and beat them 1-0 in a game they were fortunate to win. Baring in mind Ireland are fairly crap just now, then no, Wales aren’t miles ahead of Scotland.

    There’s no doubt Wales are a decent side with good players. Scotland are also a good side with decent players though, it’s certainly no foregone conclusion that we’d lose both games against them.
    Fifa world rankings would prove otherwise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimBHibees View Post
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    They have good players but seem quite dependent on Bale and Ramsey.we would be competitive with them without doubt imo.
    You’ve completed made that up and named the only two Welsh players you know eh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magpie View Post
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    Fifa world rankings would prove otherwise.
    If Scotland played Wales over two legs it would be a very close tie. They'd probably be favourites but it wouldn't exactly be a massive shock if Scotland won.

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    Other than the major nations in pot 1, I dont really think there to much different between most of the Second pot teams and third. Maybe just a player or 2, but i'm certin there be a few 3 pot place teams who end up in the top 2 of there group.

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    If Scotland played Wales over two legs it would be a very close tie. They'd probably be favourites but it wouldn't exactly be a massive shock if Scotland won.
    Scotland would park the bus and play for a draw.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magpie View Post
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    Scotland would park the bus and play for a draw.
    And going on previous performances under Clarke would likely be quite effective at it.

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