Just seems incredible and frankly bizarre that all top refs appear to come from (happy to be corrected) west central Scotland. Think it would have some impact to some degree subconsciously in decision making especially when there is a title head to head. Seems unbelievable that cities like Edinburgh Dundee Aberdeen etc are incapable of having refs of the requisite level. Given the same faces make the same huge errors year on year I refuse to believe there isn't some scope for other refs who may not be influenced in some way by the old firm environment. Does seem like some bizarre closed shop at play.
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22-11-2020 08:29 AM #1
Why are there no top refs from outwith the West of Scotland bubble?
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22-11-2020 08:44 AM #2
There’s been a bit of half hearted discussion around this in the press, but no one seems really interested in taking the SFA and the refs association to task. IIRC it’s been decades since an east coast ref officiated at a cup final.
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22-11-2020 08:54 AM #3This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
United we stand here....
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22-11-2020 09:51 AM #5
This study is from Norway but suggested undertaking in a country
Where social influence/impact is stronger. This would surely be compounded in countries where the refs live in the same area or have allegiances.
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles...020.00019/full
Probably doesn’t tell us what we already know. Mibbie we get the Maltese boys back again....
Crowd density* in more ways that one could explain slim pickings in Tynie...
* and proximity to pitch."We know the people who have invested so far are simple fans." Vladimir Romanov - Scotsman 10th December 2012
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22-11-2020 10:13 AM #6
Behind. Pay wall could be an interesting read https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/t...rees-gz572dlq8
"We know the people who have invested so far are simple fans." Vladimir Romanov - Scotsman 10th December 2012
"Romanov was like a breath of fresh air - laced with cyanide." Me.
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22-11-2020 10:35 AM #7
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Hugh Dallas cabal .... he brought them all through ... disgrace but not surprising!! No integrity and when you have no appetite to challenge this no wonder SFA get bad press
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22-11-2020 11:46 AM #10
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Is there any refs from the east that aren’t getting a chance?
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22-11-2020 12:15 PM #11
Maybe moon-howler Paul Larkin was right all along with his Masonic conspiracy theories
(Film focus primarily on the Lanarkshire Referring Association)
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22-11-2020 12:22 PM #12
In England referee's are made to declare what team they support and are not allowed to officiate any of that teams games.
The same should be implemented in Scotland with the understanding that if any evidence comes to light that they have not been truthful they are dismissed.Last edited by Since90+2; 22-11-2020 at 12:26 PM.
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When he did ref at ER and gave a contentious decision against us (didn’t happen that often to be fair), I’d often question him on Monday morning what his reasoning was. When he explained using interpretation of the Laws, I could maybe see his point, but even then, in the spirit of the game being played, it made little sense to me or probably any ordinary supporter. His musings were always in the strictest confidence and as a friend and colleague I respected his requests not to make them public.
In his career he was generally quite successful. He made several 4th official appearances at various Champions League games abroad. A few Scottish semi finals as 4th official but don’t think he ever reffed a semi final. And to add fuel to the “Edinburgh” argument, he never officiated at a major Scottish final. Think the pinnacle of his Scottish career was a Scottish Junior Cup Final. When I asked him why that was, he’d just shrug his shoulders and gave a ‘c’est la vie’ sort of response. Almost a silent admission that he wasn’t part of the “in crowd”. That’s my personal opinion on that and not anything he directly divulged.
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22-11-2020 03:07 PM #15
George Smith had a great career as a ref and was held in high regard in all sorts of different environments.
The place to start might be to ask what he did that others didn’t?
I know his son fairly well - a big hibby himself. It would often be interesting to speak to him about his perspective of refereeing. The refereeing fraternity do look at things differently to fans. We get hung up on whether or not the right decision was made. They’ll often pay less attention to that and more to whether or not the ref was up with play and in the right position to make the call, right or wrong, and whether or not they follow correct procedures.
I also have a mate who had a shot at refereeing in Edinburgh, his first (and only) couple of games were games involving lads in their early teens. The aggression towards the ref from the players, parents and coaches was off the scale so he packed it in very quickly. Since then he’s coached for a living in Arizona for more than a decade - a far more pleasant footballing environment.
Maybe the West Coasters are better at dealing with the cascades of abuse that we choose to hurl at our referees, at all levels?
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And who determines who is barred from rivals and which rival(s)?"We know the people who have invested so far are simple fans." Vladimir Romanov - Scotsman 10th December 2012
"Romanov was like a breath of fresh air - laced with cyanide." Me.
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22-11-2020 04:03 PM #18
Crawford Allan was a top level ref for years and I’m sure he’s from Edinburgh. Now the head of referees for the SFA.
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Anthony Taylor from Wythenshawe in Manchester is on record as a supporter of non-league Altrincham when everyone knows he is a Manchester United fan.
He is certainly from a family of Manchester United fans. Not a bad referee all being considered.
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22-11-2020 09:38 PM #21
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23-11-2020 06:00 PM #22
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Did an Edinburgh referee take charge of the Dens Park game and not give Hearts a stonewall penalty?
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Stonewall is a bit of an overstatement.
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I’ve mentioned on here before I think, that every game he was in charge at ER - AND - that I attended, ended in a draw. He was a sort of luckyish charm because it was almost a guarantee we wouldn’t get beat when was the ref!! Exception being a 5-3 league cup win against Stranraer in Sept 2013, a game I missed due to holiday in Canada.
And let’s not forget, he played a small part in our cup winning run in 2016. (ICT home game).
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23-11-2020 08:11 PM #26
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Are there top refs from within the west of Scotland bubble?
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23-11-2020 09:07 PM #27
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Also any Jambos I know moan about it being a stonewallerLast edited by PatHead; 23-11-2020 at 09:15 PM.
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