1) The market in the proposal is 32 millionThis quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
2) The quality of player / teams / competitiveness will determine viewing figures. Clubs involved will get the pick of the 32m market apart from players that might sign for top EPL/ Euro Super league if that happens( likely)
3) Future of leagues/ cups in Scotland initially secure but I suspect B teams of those involved in Atlantic league will be in the Scottish set up. Would help with attendances at smaller clubs.
4) Promotion/ Relegation from/ to domestic leagues. Probably might start that way but if the league is successful think there will be a demand for a second division that would probably accommodate say the top 10 clubs in Scotland in total across both divisions.
5) once up and running and successful I’d think a knock out cup competition would be added.
if successful revenues likely to rise. Will top clubs in this or Domestic leagues be allowed access to Euro Super League if that happens. That may be the determinant if something like this is to happen. If no access to Top Euro Leagues then can see Atlantic League definitely happening, plus Baltic, Eastern Europe leagues etc
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18-11-2020 08:16 AM #61
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18-11-2020 08:36 AM #62This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
3.3m people watched Man Utd get humped 6-1 off Spurs a few weeks back on Sky. That's an infinitley more attractive game than anything in the Atlantic League would be. It's in the most watched league in the world. 3.3 million.
Anyone claiming there's a potential market of 25m for Hibs v Odd is living in dreamland. The viewing figures would be more or less the same as we get for Hibs games just now, it's not a lucrative market, it's not something a broadcaster is going to throw ridiculous amounts of money at.
We should be looking to improve the Scottish game as a starting point. The Atlantic League is not going to happen.
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18-11-2020 08:42 AM #63This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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18-11-2020 09:01 AM #64This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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18-11-2020 09:04 AM #65This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
You can write it if if you like but I think the potential sums of money involved will be enough to tempt the owners to go for it.
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18-11-2020 09:24 AM #67
Never gonna happen, Hibs will be playing Hamilton and the likes well after i've gone to push the daisies up.
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18-11-2020 09:36 AM #68This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Neither is this one, from over 20 years ago - https://www.theguardian.com/football...ewsstory.sport
It's just not going to happen.
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18-11-2020 09:39 AM #69This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
I do think there will be changes in how European football is structured and that teams like Hibs will potentially have a part to play, but it won’t be in a league consisting of teams from Norway, Sweden, Denmark and League of Ireland.
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18-11-2020 09:58 AM #70
So in this fantasy land idea are the Scandinavian teams changing to winter football or are we moving to match them? Don't fancy Trondheim away on a Wednesday night in the middle of January much.
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18-11-2020 10:18 AM #71This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
If marketed right it has potential....Malmo, Gothemborg, Brondy, Copenhagan, Molde, Rosenborg, etc......fantastic games and yes, much more interest than being in a league servicing a population of just 5m.
Issue comes from the teams left behind though, Dundee Utd, St Mirren, Killie, etc....they depend on playing the OF, us, etc....take that away and where are the crowds? The financial gap will lead to clubs spending big to get in the new league....it could be the death of a few for various reasons.....also, what if its us that fails to make the cut? The value of the Scottish league would plummet, it would not be unlikely if half the premier league teams would be forced into part time football.
Regarding Celtic pulling out.....I'm just guessing they've done their sums. Cut in the share of prize money, threat to annual CL participation, greater competition for the title, less clout....for all the benefits there will be more negatives for them than any other top 5 club.
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18-11-2020 10:33 AM #72This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
your third paragraph sums up most of my concerns. We would be shafting Scottish football. That won’t matter to some people but it matters to me. And you’re right, assuming the Scottish top flight becomes a feeder league for the new set up, if we get relegated we’re screwed ourselves. David Conn wrote a great book a while back (‘The Beautiful Game?’) where he describes the setting up of the Premier League in England in 1992. Obviously the Big Five at the time were the driving force behind it for obvious reasons but Conn comments that the smaller clubs who were equally desperate to break away and grab the cash (likes of Wimbledon and Norwich City) never once seemed to consider the prospect that they might be relegated and the financial devastation that that may cause.
I don’t know. Our Scottish cup winners got a crowd of 13k when they played brondby in the Europa league. We got 16k against Molde two years later with one of our most exciting teams in recent years. Why do people think Easter Road will be bursting at the seams for these teams in a different league? If the whole argument is based on the belief that Hibs will be awash with cash and therefore have top quality on the pitch then that’s a massive gamble to take. What if the expected finances don’t materialise. Or if the league goes belly up after a year or two.
we would risk alienating and losing Hibs fans. And that’s no problem for the man uniteds of this world where any fan will just be replaced. Every Hibs fan lost is a loss for the club.
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18-11-2020 10:40 AM #73This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
The only teams we would get full houses against would be the 3 big Dutch sides and as they don't appear to be involved now it's a non starter.
We've played Malmö, Molde and Brondby in recent years and none have been close to a sell out.
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18-11-2020 10:51 AM #74
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if Hearts , Aberdeen, Celtic eventually and Rangers go for it, Hibs have to frankly or we are done. Reorganisation of some sort is highly likely to happen and it’s better we’re in the discussions, planning helping to shape and not closing our eyes and ears to it.
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18-11-2020 11:24 AM #75
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And when it all goes belly up presumably Hibs will be welcomed back into the Scottish set up? The same Scottish set up who will previously refused permission for Hibs players to take part in a rival league.
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18-11-2020 11:41 AM #76
If the atlantic league was formed I think it could potentially do very well and percieved smaller teams/countries may have a growing home-interest if the quality of football was better, but, other leagues would do the same e.g. Spain, Portugal and France or an elite euro league and these would supercede anything the atlantic league produces.
Would prefer to see us merge into a UK league or Sco/Eng league with all Scottish teams joining the pyramid system in some form. Yes we would be unlikely to win anything but week in week out the quality would be undeniably better.
Hibs, Hearts and maybe Aberdeen are large enough teams to get into the English Premier League and at worst playing in the championship with the additional investment / TV money / fan revenue.
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18-11-2020 11:43 AM #77
anything like this that doesn't involve ajax, psv and feyenoord is just going to be another league for the ugly sisters to piss all over.
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18-11-2020 11:45 AM #79
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18-11-2020 02:16 PM #81
I'm a fan of hibs and scottish football. I would have no interest in this, I'm a little dispointed that hibs would even entertain the idea to be honest.
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It's been talked about for around 20 years now.
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18-11-2020 02:43 PM #84
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18-11-2020 02:50 PM #85
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Atlantic leagues and British leagues/Cups maybe regional etc will be floated and promoted as consolation to clubs left behind. Whether it happens or not is probably debatable. Hibs should keep an open mind and thoroughly scrutinise every option which I'm sure they will.
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18-11-2020 02:56 PM #86
Presumably the Atlantic League supplements rather than replaces the Scottish Premiership? I don't think I'd like to see Hibs exclusively in an Atlantic League, but if we had that running at the same time as the Premiership I think it would be brilliant - extra revenue, club develops, variety of opponents, raises the profile of the club etc...
Would be a terrible decision to be on the outside looking in if it went ahead, far better to be in from the start and get established from the outset as a mainstay of the league.Follow the Hibs podcast, Longbangers, on Twitter (@longbangers)
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18-11-2020 03:03 PM #87This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
There's no way they could play Scottish Premiership, Atlantic League, Europa or Champions League and Scottish Cup.
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18-11-2020 03:39 PM #88
I take it everyone who is ok with this will be ok when the Dutch and Belgians come on board and Scotland only get 3 teams (Celtic, rangers, aberdeen) and we are left behind.
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