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[Dr What If?]

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It was sorted out decisively enough around a thousand years ago. The Scots/Picts/Celts defeated the Dane Viking invaders. I was putting the guy straight that's all.

Not all Vikings were Danish or invaders.....take the largest clan in Scotland, the Gunn clan (responsible for Wilson, Williamson, Will). The name comes from Gunnar, Norwegian settlers that integrated and interbred with the indigenous population. Despite the rather fierce reputation, many Vikings were peaceful, they were traders and farmers.
That said the point stands that that was a very long time ago, language and geography makes this less than straight forward. If we were to merge with another league then the English and Irish leagues makes far more sense.....problem is that the English product is way way ahead of ours, the OF with their current squads would probably be relegated if they were to be put into the premier league.....goodness knows where we would land?
Where a Scandinavian link is attractive is that the leagues are of a similar level, a much more even playing field.

[Snedz]

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Not all Vikings were Danish or invaders.....take the largest clan in Scotland, the Gunn clan (responsible for Wilson, Williamson, Will). The name comes from Gunnar, Norwegian settlers that integrated and interbred with the indigenous population. Despite the rather fierce reputation, many Vikings were peaceful, they were traders and farmers.
That said the point stands that that was a very long time ago, language and geography makes this less than straight forward. If we were to merge with another league then the English and Irish leagues makes far more sense.....problem is that the English product is way way ahead of ours, the OF with their current squads would probably be relegated if they were to be put into the premier league.....goodness knows where we would land?
Where a Scandinavian link is attractive is that the leagues are of a similar level, a much more even playing field.

The Gunns were traitors of Scotland.

[Dr What If?]

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The Gunns were traitors of Scotland.

If you are referring to the 1745 uprising there were Gunn's on both sides though the chief was anti Stuart. A Gunn also gave us 'Flower of Scotland', our current national anthem and steeped in national sentiment.

[Just Alf]

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The Ozy plan to break up the UK.

He has to do better than some mentalist Atlantic Viking League shirley?

I'm trying to work out if I'm on wrong thread or you were whooshed.....

I've had a few beers watching the footy and heading off to bed so I'll go with the wrong thread theory

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[Snedz]

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If you are referring to the 1745 uprising there were Gunn's on both sides though the chief was anti Stuart. A Gunn also gave us 'Flower of Scotland', our current national anthem and steeped in national sentiment.

Yeah ok Will, Willem William, whatever your name is.

[Snedz]

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I'm trying to work out if I'm on wrong thread or you were whooshed.....

I've had a few beers watching the footy and heading off to bed so I'll go with the wrong thread theory

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Maybe its the pro Viking anti Scots/Picts/Celts who are on the wrong thread's. Dearie me.

[Just Alf]

Goodo... NN, I'm off to bed!

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[chippy]

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The Ozy plan to break up the UK.

He has to do better than some mentalist Atlantic Viking League shirley?

Count me in if this is a covert plan to break up the UK. Scotland had very strong trading links to the Scandinavian countries and still does ( EU/ EFTA ). Scots want that to continue. Poltically Scandinavia has a very strong social democratic/ democratic socialist traditions , similar to Scotland.
Seems Scandics are more interested in a collaborative football set up than our nearest land neighbours down south .

[Ozyhibby]

Would be nice to hear a bit more about this from our fans rep on the board. If we are actively looking to play in another league it would be nice to know a bit more about it? Obviously there are confidentiality issues on some stuff but as the people organising it have now gone public, maybe we should learn a bit more about things. I’m pretty sure other proposals will be coming forward soon.


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[Keith_M]

Can we drop the stupid chat and stick to the important topic....


Did the Vikings really wear horny helmets?

[Eyrie]

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Can we drop the stupid chat and stick to the important topic....


Did the Vikings really wear horny helmets?

They did. My source is the esteemed British Army officer Captain E Blackadder who said "There hasn't been a war run this badly since Olaf the Hairy, King of all the Vikings, ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside."

[Green Man]

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The Gunns were traitors of Scotland.

Just because Angus chose to play for England instead? That’s a bit harsh.

[chippy]

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Would be nice to hear a bit more about this from our fans rep on the board. If we are actively looking to play in another league it would be nice to know a bit more about it? Obviously there are confidentiality issues on some stuff but as the people organising it have now gone public, maybe we should learn a bit more about things. I’m pretty sure other proposals will be coming forward soon.


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I’m sure you’ll get a response soon......

[superfurryhibby]

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Would be nice to hear a bit more about this from our fans rep on the board. If we are actively looking to play in another league it would be nice to know a bit more about it? Obviously there are confidentiality issues on some stuff but as the people organising it have now gone public, maybe we should learn a bit more about things. I’m pretty sure other proposals will be coming forward soon.


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The article seem clear that this is all based on the rather speculative work of one organisation and there's no suggestion it had any support or participation from any of the clubs? They sent proposals to the clubs, no more than that. Why would our board comment on other proposals or ideas that are not in the public domain, in terms of other projects?

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I’m sure you’ll get a response soon......

Trying too hard methinks, funny though.

[A Hi-Bee]

Man! even donald Trump would not be able to deny his DNA yet some on here can (at least one), amazing to think that some battle fought all them years ago (who does that sound like) got rid of all the Viking DNA, so we have none left just Scottish and whae's like us? nabody they are awe deid eh!
Next the same guy will be telling me as he puts me straight? that the Romans never ruled over three quarters of Scotland or that Cromwell never ruled over Scotland, talk about twisting and airbrushing history to suit an agenda, (someone else done that about 90 years ago) we all know how that one ended.
A Viking League would be a great idea and I would expect a forward thinking club like Hibs to be in at the start.

[superfurryhibby]

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Man! even donald Trump would not be able to deny his DNA yet some on here can (at least one), amazing to think that some battle fought all them years ago (who does that sound like) got rid of all the Viking DNA, so we have none left just Scottish and whae's like us? nabody they are awe deid eh!
Next the same guy will be telling me as he puts me straight? that the Romans never ruled over three quarters of Scotland or that Cromwell never ruled over Scotland, talk about twisting and airbrushing history to suit an agenda, (someone else done that about 90 years ago) we all know how that one ended.
A Viking League would be a great idea and I would expect a forward thinking club like Hibs to be in at the start.

The Romans never went near 3/4 of Scotland. Fact.

[A Hi-Bee]

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The Romans never went near 3/4 of Scotland. Fact.

One small semantic was incorrect-my apologies good sir, the rest of the comment was pretty much spot on though eh!, strange that you would pick out some small part and emphasise “fact”
The Antonine Wall only went as far as the line, what would become Edinburgh and Glasgow. So they only conquered around one third of the land.

Don’t change the fact that this would be a fine idea.

Bring on the Viking league.

Of course at the end of the day one would have to ask what did the Romans ever do for us........
I think the original comment was to show that we do have a lot in common with our near Scandic countries, a "Fact" which was very much denied.

[superfurryhibby]

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One small semantic was incorrect-my apologies good sir, the rest of the comment was pretty much spot on though eh!, strange that you would pick out some small part and emphasise “fact”
The Antonine Wall only went as far as the line, what would become Edinburgh and Glasgow. So they only conquered around one third of the land.

Don’t change the fact that this would be a fine idea.

Bring on the Viking league.

Of course at the end of the day one would have to ask what did the Romans ever do for us........
I think the original comment was to show that we do have a lot in common with our near Scandic countries, a "Fact" which was very much denied.

The Romans held the Antonine Wall for no more than 20 years. It was a hugely expensive white elephant. They visited Scotland mob handed three times, in the 350 years they held the province of Brittania. Two campaigns in 83 and 84 AD, Again whilst building the Antonine Wall, c 140-160 AD, and again in 209-210 season AD. There was never any semblance of Romanised civilian life, it was always a military venture. Invasion of Caledonia was never an easy away fixture for the Romans.

Don’t be sensitive about someone merely pointing out the inaccuracy of part of your statement.

I like history, that is all.

And the idea is of Scottish- Scandic league is still utter nonsense.

[chippy]

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The Romans held the Antonine Wall for no more than 20 years. It was a hugely expensive white elephant. They visited Scotland mob handed three times, in the 350 years they held the province of Brittania. Two campaigns in 83 and 84 AD, Again whilst building the Antonine Wall, c 140-160 AD, and again in 209-210 season AD. There was never any semblance of Romanised civilian life, it was always a military venture. Invasion of Caledonia was never an easy away fixture for the Romans.

Don’t be sensitive about someone merely pointing out the inaccuracy of part of your statement.

I like history, that is all.

And the idea is of Scottish- Scandic league is still utter nonsense.

So nonsensical that A major world bank were apparently going to invest about 1 billion Euros in it mind you.

That being said, 1) would you be inclined to support a version that included the Dutch and Belgians if Hibs were in a 1st or more likely 2nd tier. Or a British Isles league with Hibs in a likely 2nd tier?

[superfurryhibby]

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So nonsensical that A major world bank were apparently going to invest about 1 billion Euros in it mind you.

That being said, 1) would you be inclined to support a version that included the Dutch and Belgians if Hibs were in a 1st or more likely 2nd tier. Or a British Isles league with Hibs in a likely 2nd tier?

Aye, I believe that story right enough.

There will never be a British League, of that I’m certain.

A league with the likes of Dutch and Belgian sides, would be more appealing, but I’ll not hold my breath. This stuff has been mooted for years, it’s never going to happen.

[A Hi-Bee]

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Aye, I believe that story right enough.

There will never be a British League, of that I’m certain.

A league with the likes of Dutch and Belgian sides, would be more appealing, but I’ll not hold my breath. This stuff has been mooted for years, it’s never going to happen.

A Hanseatic league, or a Baltic/Viking League is the way forward, bring it on.
We can leave the Romans as they never done much for us, although we could also join with the Russins as they do say that most of our DNA came from Southern Russia, a wee place called Scythia if we go back far enough.
A certain small American Bank is having a very large building built next to the Radisson Blue in Glasgow, called J.P.Morgan or something.
Change will happen and I just hope my club Hibernian is in the front of this change.

[offshorehibby]

I had my DNA done a couple through Scotland's DNA. Being a typical red headed Scot/Irish my DNA showed the following.

My father line
YDNA haplogroup of*R1b-S1136 is that of the Eoganachta
Eoganachta Dynasty.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E%C3%B3ganachta

S1136 marker, from dominant European haplogroup of R1b. Most common group of Y linages in Western Europe, can be found in Russia and further east amongst Uighur people of Western China.

Haplogroup of R1b
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_R1b

Uighur
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghurs


Mother line
My subtype: U5b2b1a1

My mtDNA group: U (Arose around shores of Persian Gulf 54,000BC)

[chippy]

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I had my DNA done a couple through Scotland's DNA. Being a typical red headed Scot/Irish my DNA showed the following.

My father line
YDNA haplogroup of*R1b-S1136 is that of the Eoganachta
Eoganachta Dynasty.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E%C3%B3ganachta

S1136 marker, from dominant European haplogroup of R1b. Most common group of Y linages in Western Europe, can be found in Russia and further east amongst Uighur people of Western China.

Haplogroup of R1b
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Uighur
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghurs


Mother line
My subtype: U5b2b1a1

My mtDNA group: U (Arose around shores of Persian Gulf 54,000BC)

Are you implying we could have an Atlantic/ Pacific/ Arabian Gulf/ Caspian Sea league?

[offshorehibby]

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Are you implying we could have an Atlantic/ Pacific/ Arabian Gulf/ Caspian Sea league?

[04Sauzee]

More talk on the league here

https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/spor...-350m-19446653

[Since452]

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More talk on the league here

https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/spor...-350m-19446653

Find it strange that they name Hearts as one of the five Scottish clubs. Think bigger clubs like Dundee United and Motherwell would have something to say about that.

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So is this instead of our league or a midweek league to run alongside because if its the first option that would be horrendous.

[CockneyRebel]

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Can we drop the stupid chat and stick to the important topic....


Did the Vikings really wear horny helmets?

NO THEY DID NOT!
Source - Sandy Toksvig, the Danish presenter of QI. It was apparently a hollywood studio guy who wanted a bit more wildness in their appearance in the film The Vikings.
Not a lot of people know that.

[jacomo]

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Find it strange that they name Hearts as one of the five Scottish clubs. Think bigger clubs like Dundee United and Motherwell would have something to say about that.

As would Killie, St Mirren and others.

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/spor...mpression=true

Ron Gordon in the thick of it it seems.


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