European Premier League.

[HoboHarry]

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Can't stand this "the winner takes it all" attitude

They'll either be shouting Money, Money, Money or sending out an SOS......

[Eyrie]

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They'll either be shouting Money, Money, Money or sending out an SOS......

The sooner this proposal meets its Waterloo the better.

[Scott Allan Key]

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Sounds pretty horrendous to be honest. Football at that level is going to disappear up its own erse. The thing with getting more money is that you end up paying more for players so you’re not really that better off ...

That's it, the only people benefitting are the banker ****.

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[Scott Allan Key]

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Haven't watched the champions league for years and this won't make me watch European football. I could probably real off the European cup winners from about 75 onwards until the champions league started but I'd struggle to tell you the last five winners. Days of Forest, Villa, steaua, feyenoord, Porto, Hamburg, Red Star maybe even Ajax winning are long gone. And they're gone because the big rich clubs don't want these upstarts winning it and the champions league is designed to make sure they never do again.

Bayern had TV rights usurped when Aberdeen beat them in ECWC in '83. Wee club wasn't meant to do so and this was a genuine factor in changes that led to Champions League and freezing out of smaller clubs.

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[AgentDaleCooper]

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Very much looking forward to the rage and anger when the bigot twins find out they’re not being invited to play.

If this went through, an atlantic league would be an absolute stick on.

[Ozyhibby]

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Sounds pretty horrendous to be honest. Football at that level is going to disappear up its own erse. The thing with getting more money is that you end up paying more for players so you’re not really that better off ...

They will salary cap the new league. The players will still be paid more than any other league could manage but they will operate like a cartel to protect the owners investment.


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[Ozyhibby]

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If this went through, an atlantic league would be an absolute stick on.

Almost certainly.


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[hibbysam]

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If this went through, an atlantic league would be an absolute stick on.

Can I ask why? The teams that would be involved would barely come from the nations involved in an ‘Atlantic league’... If Hibs ended up in some super duper multi nations league and cutting off our ties to the rest of Scotland then that would be that for me. Thankfully it won’t happen.

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Can I ask why? The teams that would be involved would barely come from the nations involved in an ‘Atlantic league’... If Hibs ended up in some super duper multi nations league and cutting off our ties to the rest of Scotland then that would be that for me. Thankfully it won’t happen.

I think you are kidding yourself. And if we didn’t and Celtic, Rangers, Aberdeen and Hearts went off to join it and we stayed behind, would you be happier?
The Atlantic league would have happened by now but for UEFA opposition to cross border leagues. That’s gone now so there will be movement soon. RG will be making sure we are part of it. That’s how he makes a big return on his investment.


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[DH1875]

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I think you are kidding yourself. And if we didn’t and Celtic, Rangers, Aberdeen and Hearts went off to join it and we stayed behind, would you be happier?
The Atlantic league would have happened by now but for UEFA opposition to cross border leagues. That’s gone now so there will be movement soon. RG will be making sure we are part of it. That’s how he makes a big return on his investment.


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I've no interest or desire in an Atlantic league. Even if it did happen, your being quite presumptuous. Would we even been in it? How many teams are gonna be involved, 18/20 and five of them are gonna be from Scotland Be lucky if it's 3 at most. But let's say for arguments sake your right and all nations involved do get 5 teams. Do you know what's less appealing than an Atlantic league, playing in the 2nd division of an Atlantic league against the 4th/5th best teams from leagues like Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Finland and Belgium.

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14 teams proposed in the original Atlantic league and guess what, we were and still would be nowhere close to being one of them.

[lucky]

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I've no interest or desire in an Atlantic league. Even if it did happen, your being quite presumptuous. Would we even been in it? How many teams are gonna be involved, 18/20 and five of them are gonna be from Scotland Be lucky if it's 3 at most. But let's say for arguments sake your right and all nations involved do get 5 teams. Do you know what's less appealing than an Atlantic league, playing in the 2nd division of an Atlantic league against the 4th/5th best teams from leagues like Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Finland and Belgium.

Unfortunately that’s where we would end up, if Euro leagues come in fruition then we’ve got to be part of it otherwise we end up playing in a league against the OF colts and probably Aberdeen colts and Hearts colts. If the Euro leagues come we’ve got to be in it regardless of the level. But I hope they don’t as this nothing more than Americanising of European football.

[MWHIBBIES]

Anything but an Atlantic league or some garbage. I'd rather watch a part time Hibs play at meadowbank or something.

[Ozyhibby]

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I've no interest or desire in an Atlantic league. Even if it did happen, your being quite presumptuous. Would we even been in it? How many teams are gonna be involved, 18/20 and five of them are gonna be from Scotland Be lucky if it's 3 at most. But let's say for arguments sake your right and all nations involved do get 5 teams. Do you know what's less appealing than an Atlantic league, playing in the 2nd division of an Atlantic league against the 4th/5th best teams from leagues like Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Finland and Belgium.

Why would we need to be 2nd div? From the nations you mention, our crowds would put us in the top division of an 18 team league. In fact, you could add the Dutch and we would still make the top 18 best supported teams.


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[Pagan Hibernia]

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Anything but an Atlantic league or some garbage. I'd rather watch a part time Hibs play at meadowbank or something.

same for me mate, and for many others I imagine.

it would be the end of my interest in football, which would be truly heartbreaking but there it is.

[nonshinyfinish]

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Why would we need to be 2nd div? From the nations you mention, our crowds would put us in the top division of an 18 team league.


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That assumes there would be standard promotion and relegation between the divisions, which might not be true in the brave new world of US-style 'franchises'.

[superfurryhibby]

No chance I'll be paying to watch Hibs v Rosenberg or whoever.

I can't see any of this ever coming to pass anyway. Even if it did, would there really be any greater interest for tv subscribers when comparing an Atlantic League to watching the SPL or whatever it's called these days?

[Steve-O]

The current Champions League is long-winded guff and a European League would be even worse. No thanks

[Ozyhibby]

The choice will not be between what we have now and an Atlantic league. The choice will be between being left behind after Celtic, Rangers, Aberdeen and Hearts move on or going with them.


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[JohnM1875]

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Why would we need to be 2nd div? From the nations you mention, our crowds would put us in the top division of an 18 team league. In fact, you could add the Dutch and we would still make the top 18 best supported teams.


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Why on earth would they base it on crowd size when they have a coefficient system?

I've not checked, but I'd assume we'd definitely not be in the top 18 if they were to use that.

Also, why would an Atlantic League be a stick on if this were to happen?

As far as I can see, this European Premier League will likely take over the Champions League place. They'll still be playing in their domestic leagues?

Genuinely can't see the appeal of an Atlantic League.

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Why would we need to be 2nd div? From the nations you mention, our crowds would put us in the top division of an 18 team league. In fact, you could add the Dutch and we would still make the top 18 best supported teams.


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It's not just based on crowd sizes though is it. If it was, why would Celtic and rangers be desperate to leave. I'm sure clubs like HJK Helsinki are looking at the prospect of an Atlantic league and thinking to themselves, know what would be good, if they set up this league and gave Scotland 5 teams in it that all start in the top league while we start in the 2nd division with all the other teams from the Finland and teams like Viking FK, FC Midtjylland, IFK Norrkoping who I'm sure are all of a similar opinion.
Come to think of it, I'm not sure of actual crowds in any of these leagues but if we were going by stadium capacity and including the Dutch, I'm not sure we would be top 18. Maybe but would be at a push. Other than Finland all the other leagues have teams with bigger stadiums than ER.

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So out of curiosity and going buy who I think would be top 5 teams from the Scottish, Swedish, Norwegian, Dutch, Belgian, Danish and Finnish leagues the following teams have bigger stadiums than ER.
Celtic.
Rangers.
Aberdeen.
AIK.
Djurgardens.
Hammarby.
Malmo.
Rosenborg.
Ajax.
Feyenoord.
PSV.
FC Twente.
*Heerenveen.
Club Bruge.
Standard Liege.
Genk.
Anderlecht.
Brondby.
Aarhus.
FC Copenhagen.
* Not sure Heerenveen would be one of the top 5 Dutch clubs but a few other Dutch clubs have bigger stadiums than ER anyway.
HJK Helsinki are currently trying to get their capacity extended to 25000 so that would be another club to add to the list.

No chance we'd be in the top division to start off with.

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So out of curiosity and going buy who I think would be top 5 teams from the Scottish, Swedish, Norwegian, Dutch, Belgian, Danish and Finnish leagues the following teams have bigger stadiums than ER.
Celtic.
Rangers.
Aberdeen.
AIK.
Djurgardens.
Hammarby.
Malmo.
Rosenborg.
Ajax.
Feyenoord.
PSV.
FC Twente.
*Heerenveen.
Club Bruge.
Standard Liege.
Genk.
Anderlecht.
Brondby.
Aarhus.
FC Copenhagen.
* Not sure Heerenveen would be one of the top 5 Dutch clubs but a few other Dutch clubs have bigger stadiums than ER anyway.
HJK Helsinki are currently trying to get their capacity extended to 25000 so that would be another club to add to the list.

No chance we'd be in the top division to start off with.

This was compiled in 2018 when Hibs crowds were higher due to cup win bounce.

Atlantic league
2/ 18 team leagues

Ajax 49,403
Feyenoord 45,419
Celtic 44,849
New Rangers 45,415
PSV 32,465
FC Twente 28,518
Hammarby (Sweden) 25,507
Club Brugge (Belguim) 24,430
Herenveen 24,314
AIK (Sweden) 20,983
Anderlecht 20,675
Genk (Belguim) 20,590
Standard Liege (Belguim) 20,415
Groningen 20,193
NAC Breda 18,112
Rosenborg (Norway) 18,039
Hibs 18,000
Hearts 18,000
Malmo (Sweden) 17,332
Vitesse 17,212
Utrecht 16,646
AZ Alkmaar 15,512
Djurgardens IF (Sweden) 15,484
FC Copenhagen (Denmark) 15,448
Brondby (Denmark) 15,143
IFK Gothenborg (Sweden) 14,350
Aberdeen 13,094
PEC Zwolle 12,213
Willem II 12,099
ADO Den Haag 11,976
IFK Norkoping (Sweden) 10,296
Viking FK (Norway) 10,272
SK Brann (Norway) 10,124
KV Mechelan (Belguim)10,160
Valerenga IF (Norway) 10,099
KAA Gent (Belguim) 10,090

Tv market
Holland 17m
Belguim 11m
Sweden 10m
Denmark 5.6m
Scotland 5.5m
Norway 5.1m
Total 52mi


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[Pagan Hibernia]

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The choice will not be between what we have now and an Atlantic league. The choice will be between being left behind after Celtic, Rangers, Aberdeen and Hearts move on or going with them.


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back to the meadows it is then for AFC Hibernian against Kirkintilloch Rob Roy FC.

150 odd years of tradition and heritage thrown on the scrap heap for some crap sterile Euro League against teams we have zero connection with... no thanks

[Ozyhibby]

I think the Dutch and the Belgians will go their own way anyway. I think it will be us and the Scandinavians or we will merge with what’s left of the English leagues.


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[Ozyhibby]

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back to the meadows it is then for AFC Hibernian against Kirkintilloch Rob Roy FC.

150 odd years of tradition and heritage thrown on the scrap heap for some crap sterile Euro League against teams we have zero connection with... no thanks

Knock yourself out. The vast majority of fans will follow the club into whatever set up they choose.


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[matty_f]

I'd happily see us participate in an Euro league of some description so long as it wasn't at the expense of the domestic game - that said, I'd rather see us playing decent sized European opposition than going through the group stages of the league cup (maybe that is an opportunity to play a Colts team for their development etc?).

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Knock yourself out. The vast majority of fans will follow the club into whatever set up they choose.


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im not certain supporters (of all clubs involved) will be as compliant or easily led as you think.

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I think the Dutch and the Belgians will go their own way anyway. I think it will be us and the Scandinavians or we will merge with what’s left of the English leagues.


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What makes you so certain this will happen?

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I think the Dutch and the Belgians will go their own way anyway. I think it will be us and the Scandinavians or we will merge with what’s left of the English leagues.


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Scandinavian’s play in a summer league don’t they?