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    Quote Originally Posted by matty_f View Post
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    The gesture serves as a reminder that it's still an issue. I hope they continue to do it. Every game.

    I don't get the 'out of scale' point, football should do something but just not as much as it's doing? Is that about right? Others are doing less so football should also do less?


    The other point I'd make is that, in the spirit of the gesture, we should be very careful about who gets to decide when it's run its course.
    Matty, it’s a bold uncomfortable message you have taken on this thread. I applaud it. Many will disagree and push back, but the essence of the points you make are so right in my view. Those affected by racism are those who should shape the next steps, not white scottish males.....


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    Matty, it’s a bold uncomfortable message you have taken on this thread. I applaud it. Many will disagree and push back, but the essence of the points you make are so right in my view. Those affected by racism are those who should shape the next steps, not white scottish males.....


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    Great post and last sentence especially.
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    Miles off and frankly pretty uncalled for and not at all in keeping with what I or anyone else has been saying. Lost a lot of respect for you that you've gone down that route and seem to think it is fine.
    I can live with that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by matty_f View Post
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    The gesture serves as a reminder that it's still an issue. I hope they continue to do it. Every game.

    I don't get the 'out of scale' point, football should do something but just not as much as it's doing? Is that about right? Others are doing less so football should also do less?


    The other point I'd make is that, in the spirit of the gesture, we should be very careful about who gets to decide when it's run its course.
    Having spent the last half hour reading through the thread I feel that this and your earlier point

    "Run along now, black people and that, we've played a long a bit but frankly we find it tedious now, so we've decided that you've had long enough to make your stand. You've not changed anything in the couple of months you've been allowed to do this so it's clearly a waste of all our time, so just go back to being shot at and that until we let you have another go at it"

    I have to say that I haven't been in agreement with something as much as this for a long time. Great posts Matty.

    Interestingly enough I was discussing the BLM movement recently disappearing from the top mainstream media reports with a colleague who was genuinely surprised that in top flight football people were still taking the knee. It raises a point that those who are unaware of the continued reason behind it are probably forgetting the message it represents or am I way off base there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by StevesFamau5 View Post
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    Having spent the last half hour reading through the thread I feel that this and your earlier point

    "Run along now, black people and that, we've played a long a bit but frankly we find it tedious now, so we've decided that you've had long enough to make your stand. You've not changed anything in the couple of months you've been allowed to do this so it's clearly a waste of all our time, so just go back to being shot at and that until we let you have another go at it"

    I have to say that I haven't been in agreement with something as much as this for a long time. Great posts Matty.

    Interestingly enough I was discussing the BLM movement recently disappearing from the top mainstream media reports with a colleague who was genuinely surprised that in top flight football people were still taking the knee. It raises a point that those who are unaware of the continued reason behind it are probably forgetting the message it represents or am I way off base there?

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    “Yeah - see now that Black History Month thingy is over let’s forget about this ‘take the knee’ stuff” imagine....
    I haven't seen anyone making that point on here so don't really know who you are meant to be quoting... unless you've made up an imaginary quote to suit your own argument!

    In my post on page 1, I said I felt that taking the knee had lost its initial impact and that the end of BLM month seemed to me to be a good point to end this particular initiative. That didn't mean that different initiatives shouldn't replace it to keep the issue at the forefront of people's minds.

    Any disagreement on this thread is on how effective taking the knee is if it's done over a prolonged period of time and whether that longevity reduces its impact. It's a pity that some people are choosing to interpret that legitimate viewpoint as something else.

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    Matty has - not for the first time - perfectly summed up my feelings on this issue.

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    A study has been conducted which sadly, and unsurprisingly, shows racist abuse of players on social media rises when they comment about racism, whether this is their own experiences or on a wider scale.

    https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=774073400054179

    I honestly don't understand the mindset of these people. And I don't think I ever will. Why is their first response when a person of colour talks about being on the receiving end of racism to attack them? I don't understand why when someone says 'this has happened to me' or 'this needs to change' they discount it or adopt whataboutism. You will see it on any article about Black History Month for example.

    And I'm not even talking about your EDL or Britain First knuckle dragger, I mean people who you would think were an average man or woman who have adopted this mindset.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hibby rae View Post
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    A study has been conducted which sadly, and unsurprisingly, shows racist abuse of players on social media rises when they comment about racism, whether this is their own experiences or on a wider scale.

    https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=774073400054179

    I honestly don't understand the mindset of these people. And I don't think I ever will. Why is their first response when a person of colour talks about being on the receiving end of racism to attack them? I don't understand why when someone says 'this has happened to me' or 'this needs to change' they discount it or adopt whataboutism. You will see it on any article about Black History Month for example.

    And I'm not even talking about your EDL or Britain First knuckle dragger, I mean people who you would think were an average man or woman who have adopted this mindset.
    It's brutal, I have no idea why folk feel the need to do stuff like that. Like jumping in with "all lives matter" or "white lives matter" in response to BLM. Some of it is ignorance - I think the very first time I saw the BLM slogan I thought "actually, all lives matter would be better" but then you read about it and hopefully understand why it's not better, it's completely inappropriate.

    As for abusing people, I don't get it at all. Imagine being so insecure about yourself that you can't even let someone talk about their own experiences of being on the receiving end of racism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by matty_f View Post
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    It's brutal, I have no idea why folk feel the need to do stuff like that. Like jumping in with "all lives matter" or "white lives matter" in response to BLM. Some of it is ignorance - I think the very first time I saw the BLM slogan I thought "actually, all lives matter would be better" but then you read about it and hopefully understand why it's not better, it's completely inappropriate.

    As for abusing people, I don't get it at all. Imagine being so insecure about yourself that you can't even let someone talk about their own experiences of being on the receiving end of racism.
    Can only imagine it’s the algorithms dudes. (Have you seen the Social Dilemma on Nextflix?) the easiest thing to do to get traffic is to say something outrageous. You reaping it just perpetuates it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brizo View Post
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    I haven't seen anyone making that point on here so don't really know who you are meant to be quoting... unless you've made up an imaginary quote to suit your own argument!

    In my post on page 1, I said I felt that taking the knee had lost its initial impact and that the end of BLM month seemed to me to be a good point to end this particular initiative. That didn't mean that different initiatives shouldn't replace it to keep the issue at the forefront of people's minds.

    Any disagreement on this thread is on how effective taking the knee is if it's done over a prolonged period of time and whether that longevity reduces its impact. It's a pity that some people are choosing to interpret that legitimate viewpoint as something else.
    The clue is in “ Can you imagine...”. I was of course being hypothetical.
    Twist my argument if you like but further than this clarification I’m out.
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