Taking the Knee

[granty6_2]

Is this still effective?

When it first happened it sent a very strong message, now, it just seems to be something players do at the start of a match and has little impact.

Time to drop this?

Completely agree with the message, just don’t think it is a powerful message anymore.

[Moulin Yarns]

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Is this still effective?

When it first happened it sent a very strong message, now, it just seems to be something players do at the start of a match and has little impact.

Time to drop this?

Completely agree with the message, just don’t think it is a powerful message anymore.

Don't quote me, but I think it's to stop after October.

[WillieP]

Couldn’t agree more.

[Sir David Gray]

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Is this still effective?

When it first happened it sent a very strong message, now, it just seems to be something players do at the start of a match and has little impact.

Time to drop this?

Completely agree with the message, just don’t think it is a powerful message anymore.

I personally agree.

[Brizo]

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Is this still effective?

When it first happened it sent a very strong message, now, it just seems to be something players do at the start of a match and has little impact.

Time to drop this?

Completely agree with the message, just don’t think it is a powerful message anymore.

I think any message loses its power when it becomes routine. The clap for NHS springs to mind where it had a hugely positive and educational impact but probably stopped at the right time before engagement began to drop off.

If taking the knee is coming to a conclusion at the end of October that seems a good point (end of Black History Month) to end this particular initiative. That doesn't mean that different initiatives shouldn't replace it to keep the issue at the forefront of peoples minds.

[Vault Boy]

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I think any message loses its power when it becomes routine. The clap for NHS springs to mind where it had a hugely positive and educational impact but probably stopped at the right time before engagement began to drop off.

If taking the knee is coming to a conclusion at the end of October that seems a good point (end of Black History Month) to end this particular initiative. That doesn't mean that different initiatives shouldn't replace it to keep the issue at the forefront of peoples minds.

Very good post.

[Scouse Hibee]

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Is this still effective?

When it first happened it sent a very strong message, now, it just seems to be something players do at the start of a match and has little impact.

Time to drop this?

Completely agree with the message, just don’t think it is a powerful message anymore.

I agree, it’s like the notice that is left too long on a notice board.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

There needs to be more than simply taking the knee. Whilst it raises awareness there needs to be action.

But whilst gross inequalities remain, what else other than taking the knee serves as a reminder?

Whilst the devolution/Scottish Parliament Was unresolved did the caravan pack up and go home?

Not too sure where I stand on this.

Whilst on one hand I think it’s a token gesture, and the real change needs to take place between folks ears and within companies and institutions, to dissolve it kinda almost negates it unless we’ve got commitment and mechanisms in place to tackle racism in sport seems a bit disingenuous. That no longer will racist abuse from the terrace be overlooked and targets reprimanded for threatening to walk off (boy did they drag their heels on that!)

[Max_Shah]

We “take a knee” for a minute.

Football match continues unabated.

We discuss tactics, subs, boring no-score draws and refs on our forums.

As a 2nd generation "person of colour" I simply cannot understand how such a minuscule gesture can cause offense.

My experience of the Hibernian community in Edinburgh is we are all welcome irrespective of Roy Race, class, gender [or lack thereof], religion or realpolitick.

Perhaps I am missing something - the letter Q springs to mind. - Holy Ground beckons and I have no interest in anything other than Hibernian FC.

[Hibee_Dave]

What gets me just now is that on broadcast games the period that the players take the knee is treated by commentators as if it were a minute’s silence. Surely that’s the time to be talking about inequality or change that has or should happen in the game or at the very least why they’re doing it.

I agree with an earlier sentiment about it becoming routine and just ‘the done thing’ and therefore in no way related to it’s initial meaning of protest. It’s actually in danger of diluting the message without people being made to understand why it’s being done.

[The 90+2]

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We “take a knee” for a minute.

Football match continues unabated.

We discuss tactics, subs, boring no-score draws and refs on our forums.

As a 2nd generation "person of colour" I simply cannot understand how such a minuscule gesture can cause offense.

My experience of the Hibernian community in Edinburgh is we are all welcome irrespective of Roy Race, class, gender [or lack thereof], religion or realpolitick.

Perhaps I am missing something - the letter Q springs to mind. - Holy Ground beckons and I have no interest in anything other than Hibernian FC.

It doesn’t cause offence but the message is diminishing.

[Scouse Hibee]

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We “take a knee” for a minute.

Football match continues unabated.

We discuss tactics, subs, boring no-score draws and refs on our forums.

As a 2nd generation "person of colour" I simply cannot understand how such a minuscule gesture can cause offense.

My experience of the Hibernian community in Edinburgh is we are all welcome irrespective of Roy Race, class, gender [or lack thereof], religion or realpolitick.

Perhaps I am missing something - the letter Q springs to mind. - Holy Ground beckons and I have no interest in anything other than Hibernian FC.

Who said it causes offence?

[MKHIBEE]

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Who said it causes offence?

I recall some West of Scotland football supporters taking offence on twitter

[Dr What If?]

What is offensive is that in this day and age we still need to point out that 'black lives matter'! If there is one thing I hate about the game I love it is how it is still a safe haven for those who want to spout their racist, homophobic, sectarian bile. Taking the knee might be a gesture but its also a statement, its just a shame the fans aren't in the grounds to see it....its a statement to all those who would be racist that they are not welcome and the game has had enough.
If players need to take the knee for another 50 years to come so be it, but when they stop I hope its because 'black lives matter' is self evident to everyone and this beautiful game has caught up with the rest of society.

[Scouse Hibee]

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I recall some West of Scotland football supporters taking offence on twitter

I was talking about on this thread, those Neanderthals are no yardstick to judge anything by.

[DH1875]

I think (in Scotland anyway) it stops at end of this month. Sure i read somewhere this was because they wanted the lower league clubs to have the opportunity to take part/be included.

[JGS56]

Has anyone noticed that the actual duration of "Taking The Knee" is getting shorter? The TV cameras almost missed the act at the start of the ****bos match on friday.

[matty_f]

An observation is that it seems to be a lot of people (not on here, specifically but across social media) who think it’s about time to stop taking the knee are people who the reason (for taking the knee) doesn’t really affect.

[calumhibee1]

I’d keep it. Whilst I’d agree it’s message is sort of diminished in that you don’t watch it now and really take notice of the actual act, it’s still a televised moment before every single televised game where you’ll always be reminded of why it’s being done and the issues people of colour face.

[bod]

I think shortening the length of time has done it no favours, players retying their boots before a free kick takes longer

[jacomo]

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I recall some West of Scotland football supporters taking offence on twitter

If it annoys them then that is a very good reason to keep it going in perpetuity no?

[Viva_Palmeiras]

Annoyed with myself I was lost for words earlier.

I think I can summarise as this:

If recent events have taught us anything it’s that “we’re all Jock Tamson’s Bairns” needs to be more than just words. And if taking the knee stops us from sinking into complacency thinking we didn’t/ don’t have a problem here (we’re mistaken) then it’s serving a purpose.

l’ve been fortunate to see the strength through diversity. But perhaps I needed to get away from Scotland to see it? which I find incredibly sad although things appear to be changing a little. I married a girl from a different culture and some of the treatment that’s been received over the 20 years in Scotland (whilst few and far between) has however been shameful.

So my hope for a new Scotland is one of inclusion and tolerance of people, culture, background, lifestyle, ability or disability. As Tim Booth sings “There’s only one human race, many faces, everybody belongs here. “

[Ronniekirk]

They are just going through the motions s now Ask Kevin Harper what real effect it’s having behind the scenes and you heat his frustration at lack of opportunities and lack of progress in addressing deep rooted issues



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[BegbieHSC]

The message can’t be forgotten, so no, I hope players continue to take the knee.

Racism still happens every single day, so if sending our solidarity every match day means that we don’t start getting complacent about tackling racism, I’m absolutely in favour.

[BegbieHSC]

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The message can’t be forgotten, so no, I hope players continue to take the knee.

Racism still happens every single day, so if sending our solidarity every match day means that we don’t start getting complacent about tackling racism, I’m absolutely in favour.

Add to that, not to attack our own fan base, but the fact that we’ve had two high profile incidents of racism from our own in derbies in as many years gives us extra reason to do all we can to send the message.

[Jones28]

If it keeps it in the consciousness of the public then it should continue.

[Scouse Hibee]

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If it keeps it in the consciousness of the public then it should continue.

That’s the point though, I’m not so sure it does, the longer it goes on it just becomes something that happens before a game without the actual reason for it being recognised.

[Carheenlea]

It’s continuing to raise awareness for the movement and promote its desired message.

This thread in itself being posted a few months into Scottish footballers “taking the knee” is an example of that.

[Jones28]

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That’s the point though, I’m not so sure it does, the longer it goes on it just becomes something that happens before a game without the actual reason for it being recognised.

Surely it happens so it’s a reminder every time. Ok the point might get glossed over but as long as it keeps happening it will remain in the heads of the people that see it.

[The Modfather]

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If it keeps it in the consciousness of the public then it should continue.

I’m not sure it is either. It’s like the renaming of streets or the NHS key workers, it’s had its 15 minutes in public conscious and the general public has shifted its focus onto the next thing. That’s not to say racism isn’t still an issue but I feel that taking the knee has become normalised and as such it’s actual message has been lost.

I’d stop it. I would however like to see the debates on all the various football analysis cover the subject a couple of times a week. Gary Neville and co debating representation of minorities in the game and in the supports, guests sharing their experiences of racism in their career etc. I think that would be more relatable and have a bigger impact.