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    not on Twitter, what’s the story?
    Read the last page on the Ron Gordon thread


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    not on Twitter, what’s the story?
    There’s an evening news story where she says “we need help” referring to Scottish football as a whole. Ewen Murray and Tom English have twisted this to mean Hibs and had a go over signing Kevin Nisbet. This is followed by an influx of trolling without a mention of other clubs signing players whilst on wage cuts.

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    Read the last page on the Ron Gordon thread
    Ah, missed that...

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    Sean Dyche made a good point, people in the uk expect the bigger clubs to bail out the lower leagues, however if you look at retail etc you won’t see large companies like Amazon, Tesco’s etc bail out local retail shops who are struggling

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    Sean Dyche made a good point, people in the uk expect the bigger clubs to bail out the lower leagues, however if you look at retail etc you won’t see large companies like Amazon, Tesco’s etc bail out local retail shops who are struggling
    Maybe, but the big clubs need the smaller clubs, to bring through the young talent

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    English and Murray are absolute window lickers. Where were these ****s when Hearts weren't paying wages then asking for help from clubs like Hamilton to give them gate receipts.

    Imagine actually having a go at Hibs, a club who have always played the game. Always played by the rules. Always been well run. ****ing dense twats.

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    Sean Dyche made a good point, people in the uk expect the bigger clubs to bail out the lower leagues, however if you look at retail etc you won’t see large companies like Amazon, Tesco’s etc bail out local retail shops who are struggling
    Amazon and Tesco are not relying on the smaller shops producing staff for them. Indeed, they would be happy to drive them out of business. It's apples and pears IMO

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    Hearts and their cheerleaders in the media are literally an irrelevance now. Until we play them in the cup they are a lower league team who have no business in commenting on teams in the big league.

    That absolutely eats away at Hearts fans and that's why they are so bitter and angry. Great to see.

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    Livingston CEO John ward just on Sportsound, basically saying if fans not allowed in sometime in the near future, could be serious for them

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    Tom English and Ewan Murray having a wee greetin face love in just now.

    Apparently signing Kevin Nisbet means we aren’t allowed an opinion on the continuing lack of crowds and financial implications.


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    Tom English and Ewan “look at me, look at me “ Murray’s take on this issue is astonishingly bad, even by Murray’s standards.

    If you look at ANY business, facing into a situation like Covid, they need to look at the business and how not only it survives, but actually has a chance of prospering.

    If you’re a bakery, you don’t get rid of your master baker ( ) and replace them with apprentices or lesser bakers, and you might even consider that you need an oven that costs a lot but let’s you bake twice as much, but you can’t get that and keep your advertising budget the same out to have two people on the till to serve customers.

    You invest in the things you can invest in, and cut what you have to in order to be able to do that.

    Hibs have done nothing wrong. It might be unpalatable and it’s certainly something nobody wants to see happen, and dreadful for the people impacted, but in terms of looking after the health of the football club, those difficult and horrible decisions are necessary.

    For Tom English and Ewan Murray to say that Hibs aren’t entitled to say we’ll need help (ignoring the fact that it isn’t even what was said) when we’ve had to lay off staff, put big plans on hold, and change the whole shape of the business to survive, is actually disgusting.

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    Tom English and Ewan “look at me, look at me “ Murray’s take on this issue is astonishingly bad, even by Murray’s standards.

    If you look at ANY business, facing into a situation like Covid, they need to look at the business and how not only it survives, but actually has a chance of prospering.

    If you’re a bakery, you don’t get rid of your master baker ( ) and replace them with apprentices or lesser bakers, and you might even consider that you need an oven that costs a lot but let’s you bake twice as much, but you can’t get that and keep your advertising budget the same out to have two people on the till to serve customers.

    You invest in the things you can invest in, and cut what you have to in order to be able to do that.

    Hibs have done nothing wrong. It might be unpalatable and it’s certainly something nobody wants to see happen, and dreadful for the people impacted, but in terms of looking after the health of the football club, those difficult and horrible decisions are necessary.

    For Tom English and Ewan Murray to say that Hibs aren’t entitled to say we’ll need help (ignoring the fact that it isn’t even what was said) when we’ve had to lay off staff, put big plans on hold, and change the whole shape of the business to survive, is actually disgusting.
    100% agree with this, I expect it from Ewan Murray he’s one of them, desperate for one of the teams he feels wronged by to take some sort of financial hit so he can get some deranged pleasure from it, however Tom English is supposed to be the Cheif Sports writer for the BBC, not only is he showing a huge bias in favour of one club but he and the radio programme he is associated with are totally misreporting issues in the game to create hyperbole and hatred it’s disgusting he’s being allowed to get away it and he’s proving he is no more than the baffoons you hear on Talksport rather than a credible journalist his job title implies.

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    Allan Maitland on the radio just now, basically saying the Government have stopped fans coming in, unlike other businesses, pubs, airlines etc, so they should fund the game
    Well made point

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    Allan Maitland on the radio just now, basically saying the Government have stopped fans coming in, unlike other businesses, pubs, airlines etc, so they should fund the game
    Well made point
    Not a chance that'll happen. The chancellor has basically told loads of people, such as those that work in music or theatre, that their jobs are unviable. Those jobs are only unviable due the government imposed restrictions. Same for football. Horrible position, but can't see the government providing financial support.

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    Allan Maitland on the radio just now, basically saying the Government have stopped fans coming in, unlike other businesses, pubs, airlines etc, so they should fund the game
    Well made point
    It's easy enough to justify support for a club like Bonnyrigg Rose or Elgin City and even for a club like Dunfermline or Hamilton, but what support should be given to a club like Celtc or Hearts where the largest expenditure is on a couple of dozen individuals earning ten or twenty times the average wage?

    And support can't be limited to football. Other sports such as rugby, cricket or shinty can make a similar case.

    There are many other sectors that can make a better case for specific support such as hospitality (which would include staff employed in that capacity by sports clubs) before professional football clubs, even allowing for the argument that the financial problem is caused by a government directive on crowds, so football clubs will need to make do with the general help measures available.
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    Ewan Murray gets far too much publicity on here. Tom English is fair enough as he’s a football media/pundit and engages in debate on football shows like sportsound. Murray is a golf writer but a complete nonentity with regards public footballing opinion.

    Guys simply a Hearts twitter troll.

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    100% agree with this, I expect it from Ewan Murray he’s one of them, desperate for one of the teams he feels wronged by to take some sort of financial hit so he can get some deranged pleasure from it, however Tom English is supposed to be the Cheif Sports writer for the BBC, not only is he showing a huge bias in favour of one club but he and the radio programme he is associated with are totally misreporting issues in the game to create hyperbole and hatred it’s disgusting he’s being allowed to get away it and he’s proving he is no more than the baffoons you hear on Talksport rather than a credible journalist his job title implies.
    yep. Murray is just at it as usual. But for English to come out with that guff shows he’s finally dropped his guard and the love in with Budge et al is official. It’s so obvious LD is referring to Scottish football as a whole, she’s leading the ****ing task force.

    Bitter twats and I will never take anything English says seriously ever again.

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    ROBBIE NEILSON insists some Scottish clubs only have themselves to blame if they are facing financial ruin.

    Neilson is adamant Hearts will be able to survive a campaign behind closed doors due to the Covid-19 outbreak, citing prudent planning by owner Ann Budge, strong season ticket sales and the backing of fans’ group Foundation of Hearts.

    By contrast, a meeting of all Championship, League One and League Two clubs on Friday resulted in several chairpersons privately suggesting that a lack of paying supporters for the foreseeable future could spell disaster.


    Robbie Neilson in jovial mood at Riccarton | Hearts news
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    Neilson, however, had little sympathy for the plight of hard-up rivals and accused some of painting themselves into a corner by pursuing overly optimistic forecasts regarding the return of fans.

    He also questioned what has happened to James Anderson’s unprecedented handout to SPFL clubs, with the philanthropist donating £50,000 to all 42 member teams in June as a Covid contingency.

    Neilson was speaking candidly after a 2-0 win against Partick Thistle, their courtroom allies during the summer after both clubs felt they had been unjustly relegated by the SPFL.

    The Hearts boss said: “We are in a good position and Ann [Budge] is very clued up on it.

    “She is clever and, right from the start, she thought this situation would arise, not just with the fans but with the testing scenarios as well.

    “It’s up to other clubs to get themselves into that position.

    “Everyone knew what might happen and a number of teams, like ourselves, budgeted for no fans – but some have budgeted for full houses in October. If you were doing things properly then you probably wouldn’t have done that, would you?

    “There has been money put out there already by Mr Anderson so I’d like to think some of that has been kept for what it should be used for.”

    However, Neilson is adamant his views are not indicative of any sour grapes after the Jambos were demoted, and saw subsequent attempts to challenge the SPFL through the courts and a Scottish FA tribunal fail.

    He added: “We have moved on from what happened and are focused solely on ourselves.

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    ROBBIE NEILSON insists some Scottish clubs only have themselves to blame if they are facing financial ruin.

    Neilson is adamant Hearts will be able to survive a campaign behind closed doors due to the Covid-19 outbreak, citing prudent planning by owner Ann Budge, strong season ticket sales and the backing of fans’ group Foundation of Hearts.

    By contrast, a meeting of all Championship, League One and League Two clubs on Friday resulted in several chairpersons privately suggesting that a lack of paying supporters for the foreseeable future could spell disaster.


    Robbie Neilson in jovial mood at Riccarton | Hearts news
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    Neilson, however, had little sympathy for the plight of hard-up rivals and accused some of painting themselves into a corner by pursuing overly optimistic forecasts regarding the return of fans.

    He also questioned what has happened to James Anderson’s unprecedented handout to SPFL clubs, with the philanthropist donating £50,000 to all 42 member teams in June as a Covid contingency.

    Neilson was speaking candidly after a 2-0 win against Partick Thistle, their courtroom allies during the summer after both clubs felt they had been unjustly relegated by the SPFL.

    The Hearts boss said: “We are in a good position and Ann [Budge] is very clued up on it.

    “She is clever and, right from the start, she thought this situation would arise, not just with the fans but with the testing scenarios as well.

    “It’s up to other clubs to get themselves into that position.

    “Everyone knew what might happen and a number of teams, like ourselves, budgeted for no fans – but some have budgeted for full houses in October. If you were doing things properly then you probably wouldn’t have done that, would you?

    “There has been money put out there already by Mr Anderson so I’d like to think some of that has been kept for what it should be used for.”

    However, Neilson is adamant his views are not indicative of any sour grapes after the Jambos were demoted, and saw subsequent attempts to challenge the SPFL through the courts and a Scottish FA tribunal fail.

    He added: “We have moved on from what happened and are focused solely on ourselves.
    We have moved on after that rant. What a gimp.

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    ROBBIE NEILSON insists some Scottish clubs only have themselves to blame if they are facing financial ruin.

    Neilson is adamant Hearts will be able to survive a campaign behind closed doors due to the Covid-19 outbreak, citing prudent planning by owner Ann Budge, strong season ticket sales and the backing of fans’ group Foundation of Hearts.

    By contrast, a meeting of all Championship, League One and League Two clubs on Friday resulted in several chairpersons privately suggesting that a lack of paying supporters for the foreseeable future could spell disaster.


    Robbie Neilson in jovial mood at Riccarton | Hearts news
    Hearts head coach Robbie Neilson
    Neilson, however, had little sympathy for the plight of hard-up rivals and accused some of painting themselves into a corner by pursuing overly optimistic forecasts regarding the return of fans.

    He also questioned what has happened to James Anderson’s unprecedented handout to SPFL clubs, with the philanthropist donating £50,000 to all 42 member teams in June as a Covid contingency.

    Neilson was speaking candidly after a 2-0 win against Partick Thistle, their courtroom allies during the summer after both clubs felt they had been unjustly relegated by the SPFL.

    The Hearts boss said: “We are in a good position and Ann [Budge] is very clued up on it.

    “She is clever and, right from the start, she thought this situation would arise, not just with the fans but with the testing scenarios as well.

    “It’s up to other clubs to get themselves into that position.

    “Everyone knew what might happen and a number of teams, like ourselves, budgeted for no fans – but some have budgeted for full houses in October. If you were doing things properly then you probably wouldn’t have done that, would you?

    “There has been money put out there already by Mr Anderson so I’d like to think some of that has been kept for what it should be used for.”

    However, Neilson is adamant his views are not indicative of any sour grapes after the Jambos were demoted, and saw subsequent attempts to challenge the SPFL through the courts and a Scottish FA tribunal fail.

    He added: “We have moved on from what happened and are focused solely on ourselves.
    Mmmnnn sounds like they take all the FOH contributions for granted. Anne Budge's financial wizardry and astute budgetary planning would have them bankrupt without it.

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    The seethe in that from Neilson is an absolute joy to behold. Been 5 months since they were relegated but this is still hurting them real bad.


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    The seethe in that from Neilson is an absolute joy to behold. Been 5 months since they were relegated but this is still hurting them hard.

    We really need to roger them in the upcoming semi.

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    100% agree with this, I expect it from Ewan Murray he’s one of them, desperate for one of the teams he feels wronged by to take some sort of financial hit so he can get some deranged pleasure from it, however Tom English is supposed to be the Cheif Sports writer for the BBC, not only is he showing a huge bias in favour of one club but he and the radio programme he is associated with are totally misreporting issues in the game to create hyperbole and hatred it’s disgusting he’s being allowed to get away it and he’s proving he is no more than the baffoons you hear on Talksport rather than a credible journalist his job title implies.
    yep. Murray is just at it as usual. But for English to come out with that guff shows he’s finally dropped his guard and the love in with Budge et al is official. It’s so obvious LD is referring to Scottish football as a whole, she’s leading the ****ing task force.

    Bitter twats and I will never take anything English says seriously ever again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 04Sauzee View Post
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    ROBBIE NEILSON insists some Scottish clubs only have themselves to blame if they are facing financial ruin.

    Neilson is adamant Hearts will be able to survive a campaign behind closed doors due to the Covid-19 outbreak, citing prudent planning by owner Ann Budge, strong season ticket sales and the backing of fans’ group Foundation of Hearts.

    By contrast, a meeting of all Championship, League One and League Two clubs on Friday resulted in several chairpersons privately suggesting that a lack of paying supporters for the foreseeable future could spell disaster.


    Robbie Neilson in jovial mood at Riccarton | Hearts news
    Hearts head coach Robbie Neilson
    Neilson, however, had little sympathy for the plight of hard-up rivals and accused some of painting themselves into a corner by pursuing overly optimistic forecasts regarding the return of fans.

    He also questioned what has happened to James Anderson’s unprecedented handout to SPFL clubs, with the philanthropist donating £50,000 to all 42 member teams in June as a Covid contingency.

    Neilson was speaking candidly after a 2-0 win against Partick Thistle, their courtroom allies during the summer after both clubs felt they had been unjustly relegated by the SPFL.

    The Hearts boss said: “We are in a good position and Ann [Budge] is very clued up on it.

    “She is clever and, right from the start, she thought this situation would arise, not just with the fans but with the testing scenarios as well.

    “It’s up to other clubs to get themselves into that position.

    “Everyone knew what might happen and a number of teams, like ourselves, budgeted for no fans – but some have budgeted for full houses in October. If you were doing things properly then you probably wouldn’t have done that, would you?

    “There has been money put out there already by Mr Anderson so I’d like to think some of that has been kept for what it should be used for.”

    However, Neilson is adamant his views are not indicative of any sour grapes after the Jambos were demoted, and saw subsequent attempts to challenge the SPFL through the courts and a Scottish FA tribunal fail.

    He added: “We have moved on from what happened and are focused solely on ourselves.
    Prudent planning by Ann Budge Never seen anyone chasing their tail more than her throughout lockdown. Planned for nothing and bailed out by FOH and Anderson, as per.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 04Sauzee View Post
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    ROBBIE NEILSON insists some Scottish clubs only have themselves to blame if they are facing financial ruin.

    Neilson is adamant Hearts will be able to survive a campaign behind closed doors due to the Covid-19 outbreak, citing prudent planning by owner Ann Budge, strong season ticket sales and the backing of fans’ group Foundation of Hearts.

    By contrast, a meeting of all Championship, League One and League Two clubs on Friday resulted in several chairpersons privately suggesting that a lack of paying supporters for the foreseeable future could spell disaster.


    Robbie Neilson in jovial mood at Riccarton | Hearts news
    Hearts head coach Robbie Neilson
    Neilson, however, had little sympathy for the plight of hard-up rivals and accused some of painting themselves into a corner by pursuing overly optimistic forecasts regarding the return of fans.

    He also questioned what has happened to James Anderson’s unprecedented handout to SPFL clubs, with the philanthropist donating £50,000 to all 42 member teams in June as a Covid contingency.

    Neilson was speaking candidly after a 2-0 win against Partick Thistle, their courtroom allies during the summer after both clubs felt they had been unjustly relegated by the SPFL.

    The Hearts boss said: “We are in a good position and Ann [Budge] is very clued up on it.

    “She is clever and, right from the start, she thought this situation would arise, not just with the fans but with the testing scenarios as well.

    “It’s up to other clubs to get themselves into that position.

    “Everyone knew what might happen and a number of teams, like ourselves, budgeted for no fans – but some have budgeted for full houses in October. If you were doing things properly then you probably wouldn’t have done that, would you?

    “There has been money put out there already by Mr Anderson so I’d like to think some of that has been kept for what it should be used for.”

    However, Neilson is adamant his views are not indicative of any sour grapes after the Jambos were demoted, and saw subsequent attempts to challenge the SPFL through the courts and a Scottish FA tribunal fail.

    He added: “We have moved on from what happened and are focused solely on ourselves.
    They are absolutely certain they’re coming straight back up, there’s no thought that it might not happen - in the dang way that there was no thought that they might be relegated, that they might not win the arbitration, or that they might not win in court.

    They forget that there are other clubs in that league who also want to be promoted. This smug chat, coming from a club who seem to have forgotten why they needed FoH money in the first place, has a lot of potential to come back and bite them. Hopefully.
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    yep. Murray is just at it as usual. But for English to come out with that guff shows he’s finally dropped his guard and the love in with Budge et al is official. It’s so obvious LD is referring to Scottish football as a whole, she’s leading the ****ing task force.

    Bitter twats and I will never take anything English says seriously ever again.
    The bold bit is how I see it.

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    Prudent planning by Ann Budge Never seen anyone chasing their tail more than her throughout lockdown. Planned for nothing and bailed out by FOH and Anderson, as per.
    She's been planning on finishing the megastand for years. It's just the details of how, when by and how much that are missing.

    To be fair she's been distracted by working on that reconstruction proposal, due any day now.

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    The bold bit is how I see it.
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    Amazon and Tesco are not relying on the smaller shops producing staff for them. Indeed, they would be happy to drive them out of business. It's apples and pears IMO
    Apples and pears indeed.....Hibs need the rest of Scottish football to play games, no games no business, no Hibs. Tesco don't need Mr Brown's corner shop to sell groceries....no competition for them means a monopoly where they call their own profits.
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    Been off social media for a while so only just caught up with this... f#ck me it is embarrassing how two so called 'professional journalists' can take the words of our CE and twist it to suit their anti-Hibs/pro-Hearts narrative.

    No surprise though, must be kicking their heels until their beloved Jambos are back in action so they can sook up to 'successful businesswoman' Queen Anne... how did that 6 year plan go? Right back where they started 🤣

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