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[Since452]

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I’m not sure Griffiths would actually get a game for us just now. None of us know his fitnesses either mental or physical level just now. He was a fantastic player but I’d rather we stayed well clear.

The impression I get is that Ross isn't a "sob story, come to Hibs to feel better" kind of manager. If you aren't physically or mentally right to play for Hibs you're out or not coming back. He didn't **** around with Kamberi for instance, he was a goner. His ex captain McGinn, someone he knows and respects had to win a contract by weeks/months of hard work on the training pitch. I really like it to be honest.

[superfurryhibby]

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The impression I get is that Ross isn't a "sob story, come to Hibs to feel better" kind of manager. If you aren't physically or mentally right to play for Hibs you're out or not coming back. He didn't **** around with Kamberi for instance, he was a goner. His ex captain McGinn, someone he knows and respects had to win a contract by weeks/months of hard work on the training pitch. I really like it to be honest.

Who really knows wtf is up with Griffiths, but his career is petering out, one way or another. Another sorry tale of a guy who had all the talent but sadly, his brains are all in his feet. I very much doubt he'll end up back at Hibs unless he's paid off by Celtic and even then, why would we gamble with the wages he would require when we have the talent we already have up front at the club?

[bigwheel]

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I know a lot of people don’t like taking players on loan from the Old Firm but if we can take a player on loan with quality better than what we have got then I am all for it.

Leigh Griffiths please

Do we really want Leigh? I know he is a top player.. but do we want to drop KN to give him a game ?

[KeithTheHibby]

We don't need another striker.

[Andy74]

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We don't need another striker.

Until Doidge or Nisbet gets injured maybe.

Other than that we’ve only Gullan who hasn’t really proven anything yet or playing wingers up front.

One more would be ideal. You look at our bench even now and there isn’t a striker there you’re confident can come on and contribute.

[04Sauzee]

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We don't need another striker.

In my opinion we do, we have 2. 1 will get injured or lose form. Gullan isn't an out and out striker and im not going with this Murphy, Boyle or Wright stuff they meed to play where they are most effective.

Just my opinion

[Billy Whizz]

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Until Doidge or Nisbet gets injured maybe.

Other than that we’ve only Gullan who hasn’t really proven anything yet or playing wingers up front.

One more would be ideal. You look at our bench even now and there isn’t a striker there you’re confident can come on and contribute.

I agree, think we need another experienced forward in
We don’t really have a replacement for Doidge

[Dazzjw1875]

I think the plan would be to move boyle up front if any injuries happen. Cant see us signing someone who would be happy to sit on bench as KN and Doidge won't be dropped

[Steve20]

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We don't need another striker.

We really do. After another midfielder, it should be the priority. When Nisbet was out and Doidge looked isolated, it showed.

Wright isn't a striker, no matter what is said and Murphy isn't either.

[jacomo]

Let’s play 4-3-3 with Nisbet / Doidge / Boyle across the front line.

Leigh can replace Doidge or Boyle as the Scottish Messi.

Gullan is back up in the David Villa role.

Ryan Shanley as back up to the Doidginator.

Murphy and Wright can play deeper or in the wide areas.

Mon the Hibs!

[Hibs1969]

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We don't need another striker.

All we want is life beyond the Thunderdome 😉

[jeffers]

Agree we need another striker. We look better playing two up front. If either Doidge or Nisbet need subbed or get injured we have no adequate cover for them IMO. Boyle can play there but I’d rather he was out wide not central.

[Brightside]

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We really do. After another midfielder, it should be the priority. When Nisbet was out and Doidge looked isolated, it showed.

Wright isn't a striker, no matter what is said and Murphy isn't either.

The young lads have to play at some point. The main reason Motherwell and others produce good young players is that the end up having to play them. We have plenty young cover to use if Nisbet or Doidge are out.

[Brightside]

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In my opinion we do, we have 2. 1 will get injured or lose form. Gullan isn't an out and out striker and im not going with this Murphy, Boyle or Wright stuff they meed to play where they are most effective.

Just my opinion

Gullan is a striker. He scores goals. He plays upfront. He's not suddenly become a winger just because someone says he likes to come in off the left. He's scored plenty tap-ins in his time.

[superfurryhibby]

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The young lads have to play at some point. The main reason Motherwell and others produce good young players is that the end up having to play them. We have plenty young cover to use if Nisbet or Doidge are out.

I'm with you on this. It's even more pertinent given the current circumstances. I think people can be a bit unrealistic in their expectations. As has been pointed out we have Murphy and Boyle who have played up front, as well as Gullan. Yes, both the experienced guys I mentioned are better deployed elsewhere, but we have some kind of reasonable contingency. In recent years it's been very rare to see a youngster appearing out the blue in the first team when injury or suspension requires a change.

[Andy74]

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I'm with you on this. It's even more pertinent given the current circumstances. I think people can be a bit unrealistic in their expectations. As has been pointed out we have Murphy and Boyle who have played up front, as well as Gullan. Yes, both the experienced guys I mentioned are better deployed elsewhere, but we have some kind of reasonable contingency. In recent years it's been very rare to see a youngster appearing out the blue in the first team when injury or suspension requires a change.

People are just pointing out the gaps. If we can’t afford to fill them then fair enough.

We have plenty midfielders but that doesn’t stop the chat about gaps there in terms of cover or different types of players.

Games are generally won by scoring goals. Being short up front over a season is a bit of a risk.

[HendoDelivered]

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The young lads have to play at some point. The main reason Motherwell and others produce good young players is that the end up having to play them. We have plenty young cover to use if Nisbet or Doidge are out.

Correct.

[Andy74]

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The young lads have to play at some point. The main reason Motherwell and others produce good young players is that the end up having to play them. We have plenty young cover to use if Nisbet or Doidge are out.

Or the Motherwell players in question have been better?

James Scott for example was 19 when he had already played a number of first team games, scored goals and got a big transfer to Hull. Gullan is 21.

[Brightside]

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People are just pointing out the gaps. If we can’t afford to fill them then fair enough.

We have plenty midfielders but that doesn’t stop the chat about gaps there in terms of cover or different types of players.

Games are generally won by scoring goals. Being short up front over a season is a bit of a risk.

We have to start making some money on these young players tho Andy. Surely this is the season to give them a go.

[bingo70]

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We have to start making some money on these young players tho Andy. Surely this is the season to give them a go.

They need to earn their chance though, not just be ‘given a go’

In order to be given more game time they have to make an impression wjen they do get small chances at the end of games coming off the bench.

[Brightside]

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Or the Motherwell players in question have been better?

James Scott for example was 19 when he had already played a number of first team games, scored goals and got a big transfer to Hull. Gullan is 21.

So here is rub for me.... give him a go...if he doesn't produce we have to let them go. Any youth product hitting 20 and not in the team or not seen as adequate replacement shouldn't be at this level now.

[Brightside]

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They need to earn their chance though, not just be ‘given a go’

In order to be given more game time they have to make an impression wjen they do get small chances at the end of games coming off the bench.

Nisbet and Doidge are on form. They arent getting dropped any time soon. Gullan could come on with 10 mins to go v Celtic, score the winner and he still wouldnt get in before teh main 2. But if one is injured and one of the young lads comes in and doesn't perform then we have to look to move them on.

If we sign another senior player in that area then we may as well sell Gullan now.

[Andy74]

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They need to earn their chance though, not just be ‘given a go’

In order to be given more game time they have to make an impression wjen they do get small chances at the end of games coming off the bench.

Agree we aren't just going to make money by playing players that aren't ultimately good enough and that is what we've had recently. Porteous has shown that good players will go in and be played regularly.

Generally young players that are going to make us money you get a good sense pretty early on.

We also have to win football games and anyone that wants a game for Hibs, who should be in the top 3, should have to be good enough within a reasonable period.

At Motherwell Campbell was good enough to play 30 odd games in his first season as a teenager and has been a fixture since. Turnbull's break through year he played 30 games and scored 15 goals from midfield.

[superfurryhibby]

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People are just pointing out the gaps. If we can’t afford to fill them then fair enough.

We have plenty midfielders but that doesn’t stop the chat about gaps there in terms of cover or different types of players.

Games are generally won by scoring goals. Being short up front over a season is a bit of a risk.

Yes, so is over extending ourselves financially. This isn't like any other season, a reality check needed for many of us in terms of the financial implications of no fans in the ground.

[Andy74]

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Yes, so is over extending ourselves financially. This isn't like any other season, a reality check needed for many of us in terms of the financial implications of no fans in the ground.

Okay so we should bin all current transfer chat because really we can put out a team every week as it is?

The club will manage what we do and don’t have to spend. We are just saying areas we’d like to see strengthened.

[B.H.F.C]

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Yes, so is over extending ourselves financially. This isn't like any other season, a reality check needed for many of us in terms of the financial implications of no fans in the ground.

Our owner was talking about adding to the squad last week, so it’s not as if it’s just a case of fans having unreasonable expectations that we’ll be adding to the squad.

[The Modfather]

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Or the Motherwell players in question have been better?

James Scott for example was 19 when he had already played a number of first team games, scored goals and got a big transfer to Hull. Gullan is 21.

As others have pointed out, players need to earn their opportunity and shouldn't be played simply because they have come through the youth academy. However it's difficult to argue against the fact we have been well behind other clubs in terms of giving youngsters a chance rather than signing a raft of short term squad fillers, as the two graphs from 2008 - 2019 indicate.

https://www.modernfitba.com/blogs/20...-young-players

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[Andy74]

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As others have pointed out, players need to earn their opportunity and shouldn't be played simply because they have come through the youth academy. However it's difficult to argue against the fact we have been well behind other clubs in terms of giving youngsters a chance rather than signing a raft of short term squad fillers, as the two graphs from 2008 - 2019 indicate.

https://www.modernfitba.com/blogs/20...-young-players

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All part of the same issue. We haven’t produced enough players worthy of getting more chances.

[superfurryhibby]

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Okay so we should bin all current transfer chat because really we can put out a team every week as it is?

The club will manage what we do and don’t have to spend. We are just saying areas we’d like to see strengthened.

Apologies Andy, my point wasn't exclusively directed at you and it came across as being more pointed than intended.

I'm hoping there are more players to come in, and hopefully a few more to move on. With the finances in mind, you would imagine that well paid fringe players, like Mallan and Hallberg, might be the ones. Midfield is the main area of concern for me, even more so with Allan not featuring at all recently. |I would imagine Jack will want to continue to bring his own men in, hence Stephen McGInn signing up. I think we have cover enough up front, particularly with the flexibility a change of shape might add, if required because of injury.

[KeithTheHibby]

[QUOTE=Steve20;6309071]We really do. After another midfielder, it should be the priority. When Nisbet was out and Doidge looked isolated, it showed.

Wright isn't a striker, no matter what is said and Murphy isn't either.[/QUOTE

Gullan is a striker. If we have money to spend I really don’t see it being on a striker who is coming in as third choice.