What's the chances of fans going back in September?

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You do realise only a set amount were allowed in the shop at one time, once it was full, it was one in one out. That’s not the case with football. Those turning up are all getting in at the same time, you don’t have to wait until someone leaves. There are also about 30 additional entry points at the football. It’s probably the worst comparison I’ve seen yet.

The point that was being answered is that the length of the queues were unrealistic. The point being made was that relatively small numbers lead to big queues.

I would be surprised if the club doesn’t have planning in place for crowds, starting with the 300 from the test events and current events guidelines for levels 0 and 1. They have probably worked up plans for a couple of thousand. One way to put the argument back to the government would be for clubs to publish the plans to fans and demonstrate how the events would be safe in the current climate. Fans would do the rest.


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The point that was being answered is that the length of the queues were unrealistic. The point being made was that relatively small numbers lead to big queues.

I would be surprised if the club doesn’t have planning in place for crowds, starting with the 300 from the test events and current events guidelines for levels 0 and 1. They have probably worked up plans for a couple of thousand. One way to put the argument back to the government would be for clubs to publish the plans to fans and demonstrate how the events would be safe in the current climate. Fans would do the rest.


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There wouldn’t be mile long queues though. I mean I’ve no idea how it doesn’t take EPL sides 2 weeks to get 2000 fans in when it would be about 5 miles long. Did those clubs down there have to publicise their safety procedures to get fans in at those levels, or did they have a competent Sports secretary who was prepared to look after those he is in charge to support? Making public appearances, sharing his plans etc. If you think this fiasco is down to the clubs and not the invisible man and utter muppet Joe Fitzpatrick then fair play.

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There wouldn’t be mile long queues though. I mean I’ve no idea how it doesn’t take EPL sides 2 weeks to get 2000 fans in when it would be about 5 miles long. Did those clubs down there have to publicise their safety procedures to get fans in at those levels, or did they have a competent Sports secretary who was prepared to look after those he is in charge to support? Making public appearances, sharing his plans etc. If you think this fiasco is down to the clubs and not the invisible man and utter muppet Joe Fitzpatrick then fair play.

If you really think that protecting the population from catching the virus is a fiasco then you are beyond help.

[The dalmeny]

Mail reported today SRU have had to push back plans for 5k at the Edinburgh Glasgow game on 2/1 targeting to get spectators in for matches 2 weeks later

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Mail reported today SRU have had to push back plans for 5k at the Edinburgh Glasgow game on 2/1 targeting to get spectators in for matches 2 weeks later

Because Edinburgh and Glasgow are both above the threshold for allowing any fans into stadia.

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There wouldn’t be mile long queues though. I mean I’ve no idea how it doesn’t take EPL sides 2 weeks to get 2000 fans in when it would be about 5 miles long. Did those clubs down there have to publicise their safety procedures to get fans in at those levels, or did they have a competent Sports secretary who was prepared to look after those he is in charge to support? Making public appearances, sharing his plans etc. If you think this fiasco is down to the clubs and not the invisible man and utter muppet Joe Fitzpatrick then fair play.

People dying and becoming very unwell is the reason we are not in stadiums.

At the end of this there will be some uncomfortable home truths. The government will have to face up to the PPE fiasco and an unacceptable number of deaths, in our care homes in particular. Not letting thousands of fans into sports grounds will barely get a mention.

The public will have to face up to the fact that we almost eradicated the virus over the summer and then reimported it with our need for foreign holidays.

Heading into winter the virus is spreading and not doing what it did over the summer and going away. To get around mass disobedience the governments have allowed people to meet at Christmas in spite of the science, just look at Prof Baulds comments this weekend. Maybe we need to look at ourselves and wonder if the reason that the virus levels won’t go down to the point we have fans in the ground is because we have kept just too much of society open.

Re getting into grounds the link and article below are re Everton. Time slots, queues, ID, ballots, ground rules and COVID tests. The game plan idea is good and maybe there is the opportunity for the club to link in with fans on message boards/ podcasts/ Supporters Clubs/ email/ letter for those who don’t use those above, to give the reassurance that there is a plan and take the ambiguity away.



https://www.evertonfc.com/news/19323...ve-a-game-plan



Thu 10 Dec 2020
BLOG: WHY IT'S SO IMPORTANT FOR EVERTONIANS TO HAVE 'A GAME PLAN'
By Jazz Bal

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Saturday’s visit of Chelsea marks the first occasion Evertonians have been allowed back to watch a match at Goodison Park since March.

Ahead of what feels like a first, crucial step in the hopeful return of footballing normality, a group of Fans’ Forum members (Nick, Steve, Dawn and myself) were invited to attend a stewards briefing at Goodison to understand more about what fans can expect this weekend and in the coming weeks.

Have a ‘Game Plan’

What was evident from the visit and briefing was just how much work the Club has undertaken to make Goodison Park COVID-safe and ready for the return of fans. Everton’s Head of Security, Dave Lewis, explained to us the part that we need to play as fans; not just on a matchday but also in the build-up, too.

The Club has launched a campaign called ‘The Game Plan’, which will provide us with up-to-date public health guidance we will all need to follow to ensure matchdays run smoothly. It’s clear that the Club are asking fans to have a plan for how we attend matches. This starts in the build-up to matchday, by taking a COVID test and submitting a health questionnaire.

Testing is only required for fans attending the match if they are over 12 years of age and more asymptomatic testing sites are becoming available across the City Region; but please make sure you leave yourself plenty of time to get tested. The advice is do it the day before but, as our first match is on a Saturday evening, you may be able to take advantage of this and get tested on Saturday morning. Everton were very insistent that if you can’t produce confirmation of a negative test, you are not getting in. For those in the stadium on Saturday, you will hopefully feel reassured that fellow Blues around you have also tested negative.

The preparation for a game extends beyond just getting a test. If you’re picked out in the ballot you will receive a Supporters’ Code of Conduct and a health questionnaire. Before coming to the game you need to have submitted acceptance of the Supporters’ Code of Conduct and completed your questionnaire online. If you haven’t done either of those things, again, you won’t be getting into Goodison Park and could then be holding up other Blues, so it’s worth spending a few minutes getting them done before the deadline, which is midday on Friday (11 December).

Getting to Goodison

There is no real advice for how to get to Goodison apart from to do it safely and always maintain your social distance. Public transport is available but please follow all the safety guidelines given by the transport operator. If you are driving to the game, it is advised that you maintain your own social bubble. We were told by the Club that there will be a number of the usual car parks open for fans to use. Disabled supporters attending on Saturday and requiring a car parking space need to get in touch with the Club’s Disability Liaison Officer at their earliest possible convenience.

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THE GAME PLAN - HOW TO STAY SAFE AT GOODISON PARK


Arriving at the stadium

It will look and feel like a very different matchday. There won’t be the usual sea of fans on Goodison Road 20-30 minutes before kick-off. Supporters attending the fixtures will be allocated an arrival time which will be staggered in 15-minute intervals. Supporters chosen in the ballot will also receive a stadium map showing which turnstiles they will need to use to access their seats.

From the stewards briefing, it was obvious that there are going to be a lot of checks taking place. It is hoped supporters stick to the arrival times given to them and this will hopefully reduce any large queues. The Club will have a number of staff and stewards on-hand to make sure the security checks are done as efficiently and as quickly as possible. Dave Lewis and his team have reminded us to inform fans they need to bring with them their valid match ticket, photo ID, proof of your negative coronavirus test – this will be on your phone in a text or an email – and a facemask, which must be worn at all times.

In the stadium

Once in the stadium, the Club has devised a one-way system that we will all need to adhere to. Fans are being advised to take up their seat and not to stand or gather in the concourses for safety reasons. If you do need to leave your seat, please follow the advice of the stewards and signs telling you the entry and exit routes for your stand. The advice in the Supporters’ Code of Conduct suggests that when moving past other fans you should avoid face-to-face contact and sanitise your hands after touching your face, as well as handles, railings and other surfaces. The Club are also suggesting you can bring your own hand sanitiser but this has to be in bottles no more than 50ml in volume.

There is nothing to stop us being vocal in our support, and I would like to think that this will boost our players. However, the Club and public health authorities are urging we do this while wearing our facemasks; not taking them off, or moving them down.

As a Forum, we have received some enquiries from fans as to why the Club has chosen the Gwladys Street and Top Balcony. We raised this with the Club, who explained that due to Premier League protocol these are currently the only stands they can use. Concourses on the Bullens make it difficult to maintain social distance, the Park End can’t be used due to the away team changing room behind the stand, the Family Enclosure is being used by players from both sides, while members of the media and Directors from both sides are in the Main Stand. We have been assured that the best possible seats from both the Gwladys Street and Top Balcony will be in use, while also ensuring social distancing measures are in place. This means that there will be at least two seats between yourself and the person next to you, as well as the rows in front and behind being empty, too.

A fair ballot

Having spoken to the Club about the ballot process, it is clear that it is one of, if not the, fairest and inclusive processes in the Premier League. For example, for this Chelsea game, 93% of the 2,000 capacity tickets will be going to Season Ticket Members.

There had been concern from some fans that supporters who managed to get a Chelsea ticket may also have a chance of getting an Arsenal or Manchester City ticket in the next ballot. I used this opportunity to pass some of those concerns on and was categorically told this would not be the case. The lucky fans that attend Goodison Park on Saturday to watch us play won’t have the opportunity to return until at least every eligible Season Ticket Member has been to watch a game.

The Club has also engaged with disabled supporters, who are also part of the ballot, with ambulant seats and wheelchair positions in the Gwladys Street being used, as well as wheelchair bays in the Main Stand North platform.

Stay safe

I’d like to thank Dave Lewis, Rachel Meikle and their colleagues at the Club for taking the time to include us in their briefing in what is a busy and unprecedented period.

Although I have not been drawn to attend the game on Saturday, I really look forward to hearing the noise that 2,000 Blues will make as opposed to silence or the piped in atmosphere. Please stay safe and follow the advice that has been provided. Doing so will allow you to make loads of noise, get behind the lads - and let’s hopefully cheer them on to the three points.

Hopefully, if we can show that this can be done safely, it may lead to more fans being able to attend, from Liveprool City Region and beyond, while also increasing the numbers for each match, too.

UTT!

Jazz Bal
Everton Fans’ Forum


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[Jones28]

We aren’t going back any time soon. Numbers are creeping back up.

[18Craig75]

Cormack needs to pipe down. Acting like a spoilt bairn. Was glad to hear SC & TC hit back on Off The Ball yesterday.

Given the track record of the UK gov throughout the pandemic we shouldn’t be basing our response on theirs. The 2/4K fans thing was clearly a populist decision, not based on public health.

Look across Europe, we’re not outliers. The media in this country (& opposition parties) manufactured a “Christmas is cancelled” story which has forced the 5 day free for all. Opinion polls were showing the public were well prepared for a quiet Christmas. If it wasn’t for those 5 days we’d potentially have more areas in tier 2 by now.

As a result things aren’t going to be loosened any time soon, quite the opposite.

Hopefully we’ll be back in towards the end of the season in ‘normal’ conditions to see our charge to the Champions League!

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We aren’t going back any time soon. Numbers are creeping back up.

haven’t you posted negatively throughout?

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If you really think that protecting the population from catching the virus is a fiasco then you are beyond help.

Death rate in UK worse than US, cases are half that in US per million with slightly more testing. If you catch Covid 19 in UK you are twice as likely to die compared to US. As lockdown restrictions are loosened the numbers creep up again. Means chances just now of attending a game are remote.

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While not condoning everyone that possibly ignored self isolation rules, even the government acknowledged that they failed those that were returning by not providing financial support for it (hence the £500 payment that was later introduced). Did everyone follow rules? Absolutely not, most tried their best, a minority disregarded them completely. To blame the resurgence of the virus on the people is what the government want though, which masks the huge mistakes that they have made, and are continuing to make.

A bit like saying football deserves to stay in tier 1 and above only as the government said so, completely ignoring any arguments the other way.

How did the government fail those returning ( from holidays I presume) by not providing financial support for it?

Personally, I’m happy to wait until things are safer before going to a football match. The minority rule breakers you refer to will no doubt ensure a Christmas that leads to further spread so that won’t be anytime soon. Shame, but people being selfish ********s have consequences for us all.

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haven’t you posted negatively throughout?

No, realistically. I’ve posted realistically throughout.

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Death rate in UK worse than US, cases are half that in US per million with slightly more testing. If you catch Covid 19 in UK you are twice as likely to die compared to US. As lockdown restrictions are loosened the numbers creep up again. Means chances just now of attending a game are remote.

Totally agree. Yet still seems that some think the government are being obstructive and not being reasonable. Public health comes before people sitting in a sports stadium.

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Totally agree. Yet still seems that some think the government are being obstructive and not being reasonable. Public health comes before people sitting in a sports stadium.

They aren’t being reasonable when you see far higher risk industries allowing customers back into their premises. What makes football stadiums so dangerous that they can’t allow minimal fans back in? Even when the experts are advising it is as safe an environment as there is. Outdoors, distanced, masked etc. Very easy to dismiss without actually giving reasons why and saying ‘public health comes before anything’ is all well and good until you realise those higher risk industries are open for business.

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They aren’t being reasonable when you see far higher risk industries allowing customers back into their premises. What makes football stadiums so dangerous that they can’t allow minimal fans back in? Even when the experts are advising it is as safe an environment as there is. Outdoors, distanced, masked etc. Very easy to dismiss without actually giving reasons why and saying ‘public health comes before anything’ is all well and good until you realise those higher risk industries are open for business.

I thought you might like to read some up to date news about the virus, to give you some perspective on how nasty it is.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55288374

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55292614

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-55288347

https://public.tableau.com/profile/phs.covid.19#!/vizhome/COVID-19DailyDashboard_15960160643010/Overview

Not until numbers are back to early July levels will crowds be anywhere near a stadium in any meaningful way.

The map in the last link needs to be blue all over for that to happen.

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Someone needs to explain how all London clubs are allowing some fans in when they're infection rates are a lot worse than Edinburgh I'm beginning to think when we have vaccinated the population they will still it's not safe to let fans into stadiums and I speak as a independence supporter

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I thought you might like to read some up to date news about the virus, to give you some perspective on how nasty it is.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55288374

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55292614

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-55288347

https://public.tableau.com/profile/p...43010/Overview

Not until numbers are back to early July levels will crowds be anywhere near a stadium in any meaningful way.

The map in the last link needs to be blue all over for that to happen.

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Someone needs to explain how all London clubs are allowing some fans in when they're infection rates are a lot worse than Edinburgh I'm beginning to think when we have vaccinated the population they will still say it's not safe to let fans into stadiums and I speak as a independence supporter

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Someone needs to explain how all London clubs are allowing some fans in when they're infection rates are a lot worse than Edinburgh I'm beginning to think when we have vaccinated the population they will still it's not safe to let fans into stadiums and I speak as a independence supporter

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No explanation necessary, other than The government in Westminster is more gungho than the Government in Holyrood, who take a much more cautious approach.

Hibbysam has not said anything other than what about other industries. Whatabouterie will not win any arguments. limiting the spread of the virus in all sectors of society is the only way forward, unfortunately I spoke to a guy who had travelled from a level 3 area, against the law, to a level 2 area and back so he could go to a car boot sale FFS. There is the problem in a nutshell.

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No explanation necessary, other than The government in Westminster is more gungho than the Government in Holyrood, who take a much more cautious approach.

Hibbysam has not said anything other than what about other industries. Whatabouterie will not win any arguments. limiting the spread of the virus in all sectors of society is the only way forward, unfortunately I spoke to a guy who had travelled from a level 3 area, against the law, to a level 2 area and back so he could go to a car boot sale FFS. There is the problem in a nutshell.

It’s not ‘whataboutery’ or whatever. It’s showing the clear contradiction. Football stadia is safe compared to many. We seem to be good at saying ‘no chance for football stadia because of the virus’ but everywhere else is fine. The virus doesn’t target football stadia. The chances of the virus spreading in an outdoor environment is very low. It’s all very simple. The stats you are throwing out is fine if we were talking about stopping the high risk areas, now refusing entry to fairly low risk areas.

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It’s not ‘whataboutery’ or whatever. It’s showing the clear contradiction. Football stadia is safe compared to many. We seem to be good at saying ‘no chance for football stadia because of the virus’ but everywhere else is fine. The virus doesn’t target football stadia. The chances of the virus spreading in an outdoor environment is very low. It’s all very simple. The stats you are throwing out is fine if we were talking about stopping the high risk areas, now refusing entry to fairly low risk areas.

https://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?345024-Coronavirus&p=6380881#post6380881

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https://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?345024-Coronavirus&p=6380881#post6380881

What’s the point you are trying to make? You sound like you are advocating a complete shutdown of society, retail, football, hospitality, the lot, just because the virus is still kicking about. If so fair enough, that’s your prerogative, I don’t tend to live in the same fear. If not then things should be opened up on a risk basis IMO, and football is far higher up that list than many other industries.

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What’s the point you are trying to make? You sound like you are advocating a complete shutdown of society, retail, football, hospitality, the lot, just because the virus is still kicking about. If so fair enough, that’s your prerogative, I don’t tend to live in the same fear. If not then things should be opened up on a risk basis IMO, and football is far higher up that list than many other industries.

People are dying, but let's go to a football match. 🙄

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People are dying, but let's go to a football match. 🙄

People are dying - let’s go to the pub, let’s go to the supermarket, let’s go to the cinema, let’s go to primark... people are dying in tier 1 areas, still able to go to the football. Going to the football isn’t going to increase your chances of death 😂

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People are dying - let’s go to the pub, let’s go to the supermarket, let’s go to the cinema, let’s go to primark... people are dying in tier 1 areas, still able to go to the football. Going to the football isn’t going to increase your chances of death 😂

Jesus Christ. You are like a dog with a particularly juicy bone.

Accept the fact that football is totally not essential compared to shopping and having a coffee. I can count the times I've sat down and had a coffee, on my own, on the fingers of one hand since March. I want to get back to some kind of normal as much the next person, but going to a football match is well down my priority list.

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Jesus Christ. You are like a dog with a particularly juicy bone.

Accept the fact that football is totally not essential compared to shopping and having a coffee. I can count the times I've sat down and had a coffee, on my own, on the fingers of one hand since March. I want to get back to some kind of normal as much the next person, but going to a football match is well down my priority list.

Essential food shopping is a no brainer and hasn’t changed since March even with our nutcases in authority. I’d wager though there’s more die of this seemingly essential caffeine intake and fast food fixation (before going to Primark then the pictures) than there is as a result of going to the football in the fresh air. Nonsense my friend.

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Jesus Christ. You are like a dog with a particularly juicy bone.

Accept the fact that football is totally not essential compared to shopping and having a coffee. I can count the times I've sat down and had a coffee, on my own, on the fingers of one hand since March. I want to get back to some kind of normal as much the next person, but going to a football match is well down my priority list.

Having a coffee - essential? 😂 very good. Going to overcrowded shops isn’t particularly high on my list either to be fair, compared to sitting in the comfort of my own space at the football, outdoors, having some enjoyment.

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Someone needs to explain how all London clubs are allowing some fans in when they're infection rates are a lot worse than Edinburgh I'm beginning to think when we have vaccinated the population they will still it's not safe to let fans into stadiums and I speak as a independence supporter

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Simple answer BawJaws is a muppet and believes in herd immunity...

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Having a coffee - essential? 😂 very good. Going to overcrowded shops isn’t particularly high on my list either to be fair, compared to sitting in the comfort of my own space at the football, outdoors, having some enjoyment.

Yep more than watching a football game.

Maybe we have different priorities.

Just sitting, having a coffee with a friend, is a higher priority for me than going to a stadium and sitting with strangers.

I've not experienced overcrowded shops. Even though I have been doing a monthly shopping.

As I said, we obviously have different priorities

I'll add, you are entitled to your opinion, I get it, but as you will probably have noticed I disagree.

Football is not that important just now, lives matter more.

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Yep more than watching a football game.

Maybe we have different priorities.

Just sitting, having a coffee with a friend, is a higher priority for me than going to a stadium and sitting with strangers.

I've not experienced overcrowded shops. Even though I have been doing a monthly shopping.

As I said, we obviously have different priorities

I'll add, you are entitled to your opinion, I get it, but as you will probably have noticed I disagree.

Football is not that important just now, lives matter more.

You’ve never been in an overcrowded shop during this pandemic, with people squeezing past and leaning over to pick stuff up, one way systems tossed out, shop workers without masks getting in the road? Fair enough.

That’s your priority, for many many others football is far higher in their list of priorities when it comes to routines, mental health etc.

You can tell yourself football isn’t important, for you it maybe isn’t, for many football is everything. Football isn’t just a game in Scotland. Life certainly does matter, but going to the football doesn’t risk lives, it is extremely low risk in the context of things, otherwise we’d have heard all about the number or cases and deaths linked to the return of fans.

You are entitled to an opinion, but simply saying we should accept everything the government tells us without questioning it isn’t right, if people feel strongly about something then they should be able to express it freely.

I’ll keep going back to this point, Wednesday night I’ll be watching Preston in the Scottish cup, from outside the perimeter wall, but I’m not allowed inside the wall and paying money for the privilege. It makes no sense, I’m not suddenly at greater risk on the inside of the wall, if anything I’m at less risk as there is far more space to stand well away from anyone else. Common sense to me.

[Ronniekirk]

Nothing to do with football but Nick Cave just cancelled his London gig for next June Wonder if other artists will start to follow suit April one in Glasgow also cancelled Had tickets for both
The thought of another six months plus if no football or concerts is not a great thought