The Dreaded Coeficient Thread

[CMurdoch]

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Yeah, the remaining 3 Ukraine teams had 2 draws this week which allowed Scotland to move ahead of them into 11th position.
Can't see us catching any other countries this season.
However, when next season starts Scotland could find itself jumped up another few places with season 2016/17 points dropping off.

[cabbageandribs1875]

neil lennons trying to destroy our co-efficient this season :(

[Keith_M]

So, The Rangers have put another notch on the Co-Efficient bedpost.

Celtc, meanwhile, are hiding in the wardrobe after Lilly's husband came home early and ruined the evening.

[davhibby]

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Paper at work must have misreported it, it was the Express!!. Just checked Ukraine (ranked 9th) and Turkey (ranked 11th) last year 2019/20 both had 3rd place as automatic to group stage for this year. Maybe that's where they got it from.

It would’ve done for this year but with the new competition coming in next season, the EL is getting more exclusive to the big leagues. However 12th spot that we’re in now would mean that 3rd or the cup winner next season would be in the playoff round of the EL so they’d be guaranteed group stage football

[SJNB Hibby]

So the big 6 or 7 took pretty much all the coefficient points this week in the ECL. Little chance of moving higher, so just a matter of consolidation for the OF to help Hibs future European exploits.
FWIW, as it stands right now, Scotland would be a smidgen behind Austria, in 9th place starting next season, and a comfortable 7th starting 2022-23

[CMurdoch]

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So the big 6 or 7 took pretty much all the coefficient points this week in the ECL. Little chance of moving higher, so just a matter of consolidation for the OF to help Hibs future European exploits.
FWIW, as it stands right now, Scotland would be a smidgen behind Austria, in 9th place starting next season, and a comfortable 7th starting 2022-23

The top 6 countries are set in stone.
Of those above the SPL who currently sit 11th, Belgium will be taking a hefty drop in August before popping up again the following season, Russia a hefty drop the year after and Austria dropping a little in the same time frame.
Only possible issue for Scotland is that all points gained by the Old Firm will be divided by 5 next season instead of 4. Hopefully Hibs, Aberdeen and our 5th qualifying team can at least beat any duffers they face in the early rounds.
So long as the SPL can hold it's position in the top 15 they will continue to have 5 European places which should guarantee Hibs participation most seasons.

[SJNB Hibby]

Celtic have decided to give up helping out the coefficient

[CMurdoch]

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Celtic have decided to give up helping out the coefficient

1 point from 4 games and knocked out is beyond pathetic

Lennon must be about done

[Keith_M]

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Celtic have decided to give up helping out the coefficient

I was devastated when I saw last night's final scores and lit a wee candle to 'the coefficient'

[Chuck Rhoades]

How do things look now after one win and one loss last night? Rangers have qualified too.

[Juniper Greens]

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How do things look now after one win and one loss last night? Rangers have qualified too.

Edged us back above Ukraine. Will likely make a huge difference who finishes higher out of us two. They are likely to have two teams in the EL last 32. One result better than us and they go back above us

[SJNB Hibby]

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Edged us back above Ukraine. Will likely make a huge difference who finishes higher out of us two. They are likely to have two teams in the EL last 32. One result better than us and they go back above us

11th through 13th, us Ukraine & Turkey, is very close, but then there's a big gap to 14th. Currently in 10th for the start of next season, and 8th for 22-23, when we have to start protecting our better seasons coefficient points.

[CMurdoch]

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11th through 13th, us Ukraine & Turkey, is very close, but then there's a big gap to 14th. Currently in 10th for the start of next season, and 8th for 22-23, when we have to start protecting our better seasons coefficient points.

Yeah, 2 more season of coefficient growth which should see Scotland sitting 9th. Can see us averaging 7.5 points a season from then on which would keep us just inside the top 10.

A shame Celtic are making an erse of themselves this season. 1 point in 5 group games is absolutely horrific and not forgetting their capitulation to Ferencvarous in the Champions League qualification.To put their Europa League performances in context no team in the competition has a worse goal difference than them (-10) and that includes all the wee teams like Dundalk (-9).

[Chuck Rhoades]

Two wins last night including an away win. Should help?

We’re down to one team left now - do those countries around us have more going into the next stage?

[cabbageandribs1875]

updated 10/12/2020 i'm hoping that was after last nights games

11. Scotland (32.125)
12. Ukraine (31.700)
13. Turkey (30.100)
14. Denmark (27.875)


Shakthar(seeded) and Dynamo both in europa league



hope sevco get dynamo and knock them out

[hibbysam]

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Two wins last night including an away win. Should help?

We’re down to one team left now - do those countries around us have more going into the next stage?

Ukraine has two, turkey are all out I think.

[Fergus52]

Shakthar are a good side and will probably go far enough to put Ukraine back ahead of us. Unless Rangers get really lucky with the draws.

[CMurdoch]

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updated 10/12/2020 i'm hoping that was after last nights games

11. Scotland (32.125)
12. Ukraine (31.700)
13. Turkey (30.100)
14. Denmark (27.875)


Shakthar(seeded) and Dynamo both in europa league



hope sevco get dynamo and knock them out

13th to 15th, Turkey, Denmark and Cyprus have had all their teams knocked out so no more points for them.
Ukraine who are less than a win behind us have 2 teams left and Austria who are well ahead of us in 10th have 2 teams left so no catching them until next season.
Everything is much clearer now the group stages are finished. One of the big fallers is Russia who only have one of their 6 teams still standing and Scotland will pass them when season 2022/23 starts.

[danhibees1875]

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11th through 13th, us Ukraine & Turkey, is very close, but then there's a big gap to 14th. Currently in 10th for the start of next season, and 8th for 22-23, when we have to start protecting our better seasons coefficient points.

That's much higher than I thought we'd be.

We'll have 2 teams in (or starting in anyway) the CL from next season which should help us maintain the momentum too.

Be interesting to see how the third uefa tournament changes things. I'm not sure what the points allocation will be like for it but might see teams from countries like Scotland winning more and staying in Europe longer.

[Juniper Greens]

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That's much higher than I thought we'd be.

We'll have 2 teams in (or starting in anyway) the CL from next season which should help us maintain the momentum too.

Be interesting to see how the third uefa tournament changes things. I'm not sure what the points allocation will be like for it but might see teams from countries like Scotland winning more and staying in Europe longer.

What will be important in this tournament is that the Aberdeens and Hibs of our league consistently beat the equivalents in Ukraine, turkey, Greece etc. I actually fear it might go against us having more teams in this tournament coefficient wise, but we will see

[SJNB Hibby]

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13th to 15th, Turkey, Denmark and Cyprus have had all their teams knocked out so no more points for them.
Ukraine who are less than a win behind us have 2 teams left and Austria who are well ahead of us in 10th have 2 teams left so no catching them until next season.
Everything is much clearer now the group stages are finished. One of the big fallers is Russia who only have one of their 6 teams still standing and Scotland will pass them when season 2022/23 starts.

Not so sure about Austria. The UEFA Coefficient page isnt fully updated, as theyre still showing all the clubs left in the competition at the beginning of this week, Austria 3/5,(Still showing Scotland as 2/4) but R Wien & Linz both finished 3rd in their ELgroups, only leaving Pellets and Salzburg.

Up to 9th for starting next season now. We still have 2 bad seasons to lose, so having 5 clubs, and a little more difficulty accumulating points, wont really affect us till 22-23

[SJNB Hibby]

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What will be important in this tournament is that the Aberdeens and Hibs of our league consistently beat the equivalents in Ukraine, turkey, Greece etc. I actually fear it might go against us having more teams in this tournament coefficient wise, but we will see

Agreed. It shouldnt be an upset for us to knock out a middling Greek team, and we should do better than lose out to Norwegians

[CMurdoch]

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Not so sure about Austria. The UEFA Coefficient page isnt fully updated, as theyre still showing all the clubs left in the competition at the beginning of this week, Austria 3/5,(Still showing Scotland as 2/4) but R Wien & Linz both finished 3rd in their ELgroups, only leaving Pellets and Salzburg.

Up to 9th for starting next season now. We still have 2 bad seasons to lose, so having 5 clubs, and a little more difficulty accumulating points, wont really affect us till 22-23

The Wiki UEFA Coefficient page was fully updated last night.
Best case scenario for Scotland is Rangers draw and importantly beat Dynamo Kiev, 2nd best scenario draw and beat Pellets. Salzberg are arguably the best team Rangers could draw so probably best they avoid them.

[scoopyboy]

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13th to 15th, Turkey, Denmark and Cyprus have had all their teams knocked out so no more points for them.
Ukraine who are less than a win behind us have 2 teams left and Austria who are well ahead of us in 10th have 2 teams left so no catching them until next season.
Everything is much clearer now the group stages are finished. One of the big fallers is Russia who only have one of their 6 teams still standing and Scotland will pass them when season 2022/23 starts.

Not strictly true CM.

Two points for a win but then divided by the number of teams entered.

Ukraine had 5 teams so a win would get them 0.4 which would still leave them a fraction behind Scotland (assuming my arithmetic is ok lol)

[Keith_M]

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Not so sure about Austria. The UEFA Coefficient page isnt fully updated, as theyre still showing all the clubs left in the competition at the beginning of this week, Austria 3/5,(Still showing Scotland as 2/4) but R Wien & Linz both finished 3rd in their ELgroups, only leaving Pellets and Salzburg.

Up to 9th for starting next season now. We still have 2 bad seasons to lose, so having 5 clubs, and a little more difficulty accumulating points, wont really affect us till 22-23

Please call them Wolfsberg or WAC. I just can't get used to the new sponsor names of some Austrian clubs.

[superfurryhibby]

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Not so sure about Austria. The UEFA Coefficient page isnt fully updated, as theyre still showing all the clubs left in the competition at the beginning of this week, Austria 3/5,(Still showing Scotland as 2/4) but R Wien & Linz both finished 3rd in their ELgroups, only leaving Pellets and Salzburg.

Up to 9th for starting next season now. We still have 2 bad seasons to lose, so having 5 clubs, and a little more difficulty accumulating points, wont really affect us till 22-23

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Agreed. It shouldnt be an upset for us to knock out a middling Greek team, and we should do better than lose out to Norwegians

These teams probably play in Leagues with higher tv revenues than ours. That has become such a big factors in determining who should beat who.

[AgentDaleCooper]

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These teams probably play in Leagues with higher tv revenues than ours. That has become such a big factors in determining who should beat who.

Also,the afore mentioned norwegian team only really horsedus because Haaland came back in for them in the second leg.

[Speedy]

Really is sods law for us that 3rd could’ve seen us go straight into Europa League group stage but never mind, should at least get something next year or 2.

[Speedy]

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Also,the afore mentioned norwegian team only really horsedus because Haaland came back in for them in the second leg.

I remember thinking, he's only a teenager, how much of a difference can he make

[CMurdoch]

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Not strictly true CM.

Two points for a win but then divided by the number of teams entered.

Ukraine had 5 teams so a win would get them 0.4 which would still leave them a fraction behind Scotland (assuming my arithmetic is ok lol)

Good call Scoopy. My mistake. Ironically Scotland will receive the reduced 0.4 for a win from next season when we increase to 5 teams and that will dilute the influence of the Old Firm to our coefficient.