The Dreaded Coeficient Thread

[SJNB Hibby]

With Celtic due to start another Scottish Euro campaign, and with 5 spots open for Scottish clubs next season, I thought I'd have a look at where we are.
Presently 14th, 1.4 back of Denmark and 5 back of Austria, 0.5 ahead of the Czechs. The good news is that this season we dump that awful 2015-16 campaign where we picked up only 3 points, and Denmark got 5.5, the Czechs 7.3, and Austria 3.8. So once they update the table for starting this season, we will jump to 13th, see none of the teams behind us make up any ground, and be much closer to Ukraine in 9th, as they lose 9.8.
Decent run by the Scottish teams and we could settle into the top 10 as a Nation.
If you dont care about the coefficient, feel free to ignore this thread

[Diclonius]

Two CL places up for grabs this season, one EL and two ECL. Hopefully we can keep that up.

[CMurdoch]

We started in a highly embarrassing 26th place 2 seasons ago. 13th is just fine ensuring 5 European places for Scotland from next season, which should ensure Hibs European football every season.
Scotlands natural place is probably 12th. The top 7 nations are pretty much set in stone and Holland and Turkey should always manage to keep ahead of us but Ukraine, Belgium and Austria are fair game.
Scotlands goal this season is to replace the 3 coefficient points from 5 seasons ago. 7 would be acceptable, which would draw us up to the next pack and consolidate our top 15 status. A lot of Rangers and Cetics and thus Scotlands European success from next season will depend on effectively replacing Morelos and Eduard which will be almost impossible in the case of the later who i believe is top notch.

[Pretty Boy]

Ridding the European spots of diddy teams like Queen of the South, Gretna and more recently Hearts has definitely helped us start to rebuild the ranking.

[CentreLine]

I think Celtic have a tough task to qualify when the stupidity of one player means they will have played little competitive football before their qualifying rounds. Ditto Aberdeen and Motherwell are it setting the heather on fire. It could be that we are relying on the The Rangers to have run?

[jonny]

How high would we have to get to get another additional European spot? Or to better our entry levels?
I understand (to an extent) how the coefficients work but couldn't work out how to calculate the current number of positions in each competition allocated to each rank.

[HAZ2000]

3,4,5th place all get European spots this year?

[erin go bragh]

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3,4,5th place all get European spots this year?

Yes ,unless a team outside the top five wins the Scottish cup .Then it would be the top four who would qualify for Europe.

[Speedy]

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How high would we have to get to get another additional European spot? Or to better our entry levels?
I understand (to an extent) how the coefficients work but couldn't work out how to calculate the current number of positions in each competition allocated to each rank.

12th would get the cup winners straight into the Europa league groups.

This is where we are at the moment:
https://kassiesa.net/uefa/data/method5/crank2020.html

12th is possible but would need to outperform Austria and Denmark (for starters) for the next couple of years. 10th is required for the league winners to get straight into the Champions League group stage.

[PatHead]

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Yes ,unless a team outside the top five wins the Scottish cup .Then it would be the top four who would qualify for Europe.

Doubt we will finish outwith the top 5. 😁

[Eyrie]

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If you dont care about the coefficient, feel free to ignore this thread

It's the co-efficient that decides how many places Scotland gets, so we should all care as our chances of European football are improved by a good co-efficient, both through having an extra place to aim for and by getting a better seeding.

[Is It On....]

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Two CL places up for grabs this season, one EL and two ECL. Hopefully we can keep that up.

Never a better year to have a potential 40+ goal strike force. Third should be the minimum ambition 🙂

[jonny]

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12th would get the cup winners straight into the Europa league groups.

This is where we are at the moment:
https://kassiesa.net/uefa/data/method5/crank2020.html

12th is possible but would need to outperform Austria and Denmark (for starters) for the next couple of years. 10th is required for the league winners to get straight into the Champions League group stage.

Thanks mate. Can see we've actually outperformed the 3 countries above us in the past 2 seasons, unfortunately for the 3 before that they all outperformed us.
If we manage to stay consistent then no reason why we couldn't reach 12th in a couple of years (especially with an ever improving Rangers again). I think the top 10 is a stretch looking at the countries and accumulated points in there.
Getting a club or 2 into group stages in any competition gives so many opportunities to accumulate points.

[SJNB Hibby]

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12th would get the cup winners straight into the Europa league groups.

This is where we are at the moment:
https://kassiesa.net/uefa/data/method5/crank2020.html

12th is possible but would need to outperform Austria and Denmark (for starters) for the next couple of years. 10th is required for the league winners to get straight into the Champions League group stage.

France could close the gap on the top 4 if they get at least 1 in the Final, especially if Inter dont reach the EL final

[mayo hibee]

Where does the new Europa Conference fit into this? Does that offer additional European places or is it just that some Scottish teams would go into that rather than the Europa League?

[Sir David Gray]

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Where does the new Europa Conference fit into this? Does that offer additional European places or is it just that some Scottish teams would go into that rather than the Europa League?

Yes the latter.

By default, 3rd and 4th in the table this season go into the Europa Conference League next season.

[danhibees1875]

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How high would we have to get to get another additional European spot? Or to better our entry levels?
I understand (to an extent) how the coefficients work but couldn't work out how to calculate the current number of positions in each competition allocated to each rank.

The current ranking section a little down this page is helpful.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_coefficient

[Fergus52]

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Yes ,unless a team outside the top five wins the Scottish cup .Then it would be the top four who would qualify for Europe.

Don't think this kicks in until next season, but might be wrong

[Clarence]

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We started in a highly embarrassing 26th place 2 seasons ago. 13th is just fine ensuring 5 European places for Scotland from next season, which should ensure Hibs European football every season.
Scotlands natural place is probably 12th. The top 7 nations are pretty much set in stone and Holland and Turkey should always manage to keep ahead of us but Ukraine, Belgium and Austria are fair game.
Scotlands goal this season is to replace the 3 coefficient points from 5 seasons ago. 7 would be acceptable, which would draw us up to the next pack and consolidate our top 15 status. A lot of Rangers and Cetics and thus Scotlands European success from next season will depend on effectively replacing Morelos and Eduard which will be almost impossible in the case of the later who i believe is top notch.

Think Belgium are a fair bit ahead of us these days. It would take a major reversal in fortunes for us to leapfrog them.

[CMurdoch]

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Think Belgium are a fair bit ahead of us these days. It would take a major reversal in fortunes for us to leapfrog them.

I suspect we will be ahead of them by the start of European competition next season.

We will start this seasons European club competitions 5.6 coefficient points behind Belgium BUT
12.5 of their points will be replaced in a years time and Scotland will have only 4.375 points replaced.
Therefore, if Scotland's teams perform as well as the Belgian teams in Europe this season we will start next seasons European campaign a few points ahead.

[Monts]

Can anyone work out why kilmarnock are ranked above us when we have more points?

And also West ham have the same points as us but ranked over 100 places higher.

https://www.uefa.com/memberassociati...club/#/yr/2020

[Green Man]

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Can anyone work out why kilmarnock are ranked above us when we have more points?

And also West ham have the same points as us but ranked over 100 places higher.

https://www.uefa.com/memberassociati...club/#/yr/2020

I think Killie May be ranked above us because they got their points more recently. West Ham are ranked above us because their country coefficient is higher.

[SJNB Hibby]

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I suspect we will be ahead of them by the start of European competition next season.

We will start this seasons European club competitions 5.6 coefficient points behind Belgium BUT
12.5 of their points will be replaced in a years time and Scotland will have only 4.375 points replaced.
Therefore, if Scotland's teams perform as well as the Belgian teams in Europe this season we will start next seasons European campaign a few points ahead.

If you look at the points by season, we were 10th 2 seasons back and 7th!!overall last season
We have the potential

[Speedy]

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If you look at the points by season, we were 10th 2 seasons back and 7th!!overall last season
We have the potential

We do, but it'll get harder to maintain that because the total points will soon be divided by 5 teams rather than 4.

[SJNB Hibby]

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We do, but it'll get harder to maintain that because the total points will soon be divided by 5 teams rather than 4.

We were 7th last season when Killie lost to that Dai Morris team from Rhondda!!!

[Ozyhibby]

Best thing that can happen is Celtic get knocked out champs league at last qualifying round and go into Europa. They can get points there. Also need Aberdeen and Motherwell to do the job.


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[Fergus52]

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Best thing that can happen is Celtic get knocked out champs league at last qualifying round and go into Europa. They can get points there. Also need Aberdeen and Motherwell to do the job.


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Don't know if this is necessarily true, as qualifying for champions league group stage nets you bonus coefficient points, as well as wins and draws getting you double the points compared to the Europa groups.

Would probably depend on the draw in either competition, Celtic would be 3rd seed in the champions league groups now as well.

[Juniper Greens]

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Don't know if this is necessarily true, as qualifying for champions league group stage nets you bonus coefficient points, as well as wins and draws getting you double the points compared to the Europa groups.

Would probably depend on the draw in either competition, Celtic would be 3rd seed in the champions league groups now as well.

The 4 bonus points is correct. But wins and draws give you exactly the same number of points

[Fergus52]

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The 4 bonus points is correct. But wins and draws give you exactly the same number of points

Ah my bad, was getting mixed up with the points being halved for qualification matches.

[SonOfDavidFrancey]

Side issue/ what’s happening with the 2020 Scottish Cup winners? Are they going to get a Euro place or will there be no reward?