Boli Bolingoli

[The Count]

Watched the press conference.Boli certainly took the heat of Nicola regarding exam results.Journalist questions certainly show how important football is in Scottish Society.SFA/SPLA have to make sure players who cannot play in the next match as a result of the breaches cannot play in the rearranged match.That should be the punishment.Fines just dont work.

[BoomtownHibees]

Why is the Aberdeen v Hamilton game now off? It was due to be played until we found out about Boli’s trip to Spain

[neil7908]

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Posted the below on the Coronavirus thread:

Good news for Aberdeen if their games are off. Means they won’t be without the missing 8 players when the games are re-scheduled. Their rescheduled games could also presumably happen once fans are allowed back so an opportunity for extra income they otherwise wouldn’t have had.

Yup. Why are we allowing them to postpone games? I know this has happened in days gone by with things like food poisoning but now they should have to fulfill the fixtures. Right now any team that doesn't fancy a game at the weekend or is having a crap start to the season can now take a route to postponing the game, apparently with zero consequences.

The players and the clubs should get hammered. No doubt we'll see no action, or maybe some £2.5k fines handed out.

[hibee_girl]

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SPFL/SFA need to force a points deduction for these breaches .

Suspect we’ll hear more about punishments etc later today

[Diclonius]

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Why is the Aberdeen v Hamilton game now off? It was due to be played until we found out about Boli’s trip to Spain

I suspect they were probably going to call it off anyway.

[Scorrie]

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Why is the Aberdeen v Hamilton game now off? It was due to be played until we found out about Boli’s trip to Spain

Maybe due to First Minister announcement that neither Aberdeen or Celtic will play this week

[BoomtownHibees]

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Maybe due to First Minister announcement that neither Aberdeen or Celtic will play this week

Up until today that game was due to go ahead. The only thing that has changed is a Celtc player doing something he shouldn’t have. Why does that change things for Aberdeen?

[BoomtownHibees]

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I suspect they were probably going to call it off anyway.

Possibly. Suppose we will never know

[Keith_M]

'Bolingoli said he wanted to apologise to his manager, teammates, supporters, “and so many others for letting them down so badly”. He added: “I am guilty of a major error of judgment. I know what I did was wrong and I know that I must now deal with the consequences.” '


So he now knows it was wrong... once it's out in the public domain and he's been pulled up for it.

Funny how people admitting things like this after the fact never seem to know it was wrong, or even care, when it really mattered.

[Sir David Gray]

Sky will be delighted that another one of their live games (St Mirren v Celtic tomorrow) is now off.

[Kaff]

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I suspect they were probably going to call it off anyway.

Someone earlier this week showed a statement from SG that was saying this game had been requested to be postponed.
Was before the games on Saturday I think?

Edit. This should be it I think
https://mobile.twitter.com/Kheredine...739054080?s=19

[JimBHibees]

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Sky will be delighted that another one of their live games (St Mirren v Celtic tomorrow) is now off.

They should try and move one of the other games to 6pm appreciate likely not enough notice.

[The Baldmans Comb]

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Why is the Aberdeen v Hamilton game now off? It was due to be played until we found out about Boli’s trip to Spain

Aberdeen v Hamilton was always under risk and was postponed due to the cluster outbreak in Aberdeen which is still creating new cases up to around 170 in total now.

The clown at Celtic just made the decision to postpone that much easier.

[Hibernia&Alba]

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This is the clubs situation to manage and they have to take responsibility for their employees.
I work in the food industry and we have all levels of educated employees throughout, from those with university backgrounds to illiterate or people with no knowledge of the English language. Is it acceptable that someone, through lack of training/education, is able to put someone's health at risk? Absolutely not and in the instance of lack of training the company is held responsible regardless of their ability to comply with the training. If the company is unsure of the ability to carry out the task then they don't use them for roles where it is necessary.
These are minimum wage workers.
The clubs have the same problem, if they feel a player is not capable of following safety guidelines then they should not be in the front line, an expensive player like Bolingoli should perhaps be internally furlough Ed until its safe for him to be trusted again.
Every club will have a potential rulebreaker and its up to the clubs to identify them

Yes, but the difference is the football breaches occurred outside of work, in players' own time. Clubs can't be responsible for that, nor can any other employer. Players are grown men who should be able to follow simple rules.

[MyJo]

SPFL need to make it clear what’s going to happen if there are any more breaches like this and lay down the law.

The postponed fixtures up to this week need to be played behind closed doors regardless of when fans are allowed to return to stadiums and the players involved in causing the breaches are suspended for those fixtures as punishment.

Going forward any games that need to be postponed due to inappropriate behaviour and breaches of the guidelines by staff and players are instead forfeited by the offending club who can’t fulfil the fixture.

[Kaff]

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Yes, but the difference is the football breaches occurred outside of work, in players' own time. Clubs can't be responsible for that, nor can any other employer. Players are grown men who should be able to follow simple rules.

Yes but not entirely without parallel. If a food worker returns to work after illness unrelated to his work, and this includes returning from a foreign country with low hygiene standards although not having been showing signs of illness, and infects the public then this is employer responsibility and is classed as not performing a safe return to work.

[The 90+2]

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Aberdeen with eight players self isolsting are actually benefitting from their game being off.

SFA for once in their ****ing miserable, pathetic pretence of governing need to actually be seen to do something to hold these players accountable.

This.

At least if the governing bodies look to be doing all the can ie punish clubs then it will look a bit better for the game.

[gbhibby]

Both clubs should issue statements apologising for their player/players actions together with making a large donation to the NHS at least six figures.

[Sir David Gray]

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They should try and move one of the other games to 6pm appreciate likely not enough notice.

It would also mean quite a lot of refunds for anyone who had bought the PPV stream from the home club if that wasn't allowed after Sky took the game.

[mixumatosis]

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Problem is they haven’t set out the punishments before the offence. They also set a precedence if not punishing Aberdeen.

What a **** show! There has been no football since March?!? WFT were they doing?

J

Arguing with a couple of petulant toddlers who didn't want to accept the only viable outcome to conclude last season.

Without wishing to make everything about "them", you have to wonder how much better prepared the SPFL could have been to deal with incidents like this if they had not had to spend all summer defending a frivolous legal case.

[Andy74]

Going to Spain and not saying is extreme but there will be lots of other breaches of guidance by players - in the same way as people everyday now are far more relaxed with respect to following the guidance.

The Aberdeen thing was daft but I really wouldn’t expect a widespread footballer problem here any more than you’d see in the general population.

[Smartie]

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Up until today that game was due to go ahead. The only thing that has changed is a Celtc player doing something he shouldn’t have. Why does that change things for Aberdeen?

I love that the First Minister isn't mucking about.

We can all resort to Scottish football type and bicker and whatabout ourselves into a lather but the bottom line is - some Aberdeen players have tested positive, some Celtic players have been found to have not just broken the rules but flagrantly ripped the piss out of them. This is likely the tip of the iceberg and footballers who have a Dominic Cummings style ego about being above the type of stuff that the regular type guy has to deal with will have been breaking the rules all over the shop, and this sends a very direct message out to them.

We are very lucky indeed that that Scottish football hasn't been shut down and tbh the next transgression, it likely will be. It's not that we haven't been warned.

This is a global pandemic and it is deadly. Everyone is going to have to make some sort of sacrifice, and if we do, we'll get through it. The more people expect to be able to take the piss, the more trouble it is likely to be for all of us.

Personally, I think Bolingoli should have been firmly booted out of Parkhead, £3m transfer fee or no transfer fee.

Obviously Nicola Sturgeon is an experienced and decisive leader. It is probably too much to expect for Scottish football authorities to show similar levels of leadership, but they need to very quickly get not just guidance but hard and fast rules out there regarding what happens if breaches occur, and they need to be tough. Scottish football likes to make it up as it goes along and it leads to acrimony, bitterness and avoidable difficult situations, such as the Hearts palaver all summer. They can stop this become similar if they want to, but they'll need tough rules that they're prepared to enforce.

[mixumatosis]

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Both clubs should issue statements apologising for their player/players actions together with making a large donation to the NHS at least six figures.

I'd like to see both Aberdeen and Celtic fine all involved the maximum they can legally get away with, then donate the fines to the SPFL Trust. If the league gets stopped that money can be paid out to the clubs who are left out of pocket.

[Hibernia&Alba]

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Yes but not entirely without parallel. If a food worker returns to work after illness unrelated to his work, and this includes returning from a foreign country with low hygiene standards although not having been showing signs of illness, and infects the public then this is employer responsibility and is classed as not performing a safe return to work.

I would imagine clubs must prove they have taken all reasonable measures to prevent lockdown breaches; beyond that threshold the players are accountable for what happens in their free time.

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I love that the First Minister isn't mucking about.

We can all resort to Scottish football type and bicker and whatabout ourselves into a lather but the bottom line is - some Aberdeen players have tested positive, some Celtic players have been found to have not just broken the rules but flagrantly ripped the piss out of them. This is likely the tip of the iceberg and footballers who have a Dominic Cummings style ego about being above the type of stuff that the regular type guy has to deal with will have been breaking the rules all over the shop, and this sends a very direct message out to them.

We are very lucky indeed that that Scottish football hasn't been shut down and tbh the next transgression, it likely will be. It's not that we haven't been warned.

This is a global pandemic and it is deadly. Everyone is going to have to make some sort of sacrifice, and if we do, we'll get through it. The more people expect to be able to take the piss, the more trouble it is likely to be for all of us.

Personally, I think Bolingoli should have been firmly booted out of Parkhead, £3m transfer fee or no transfer fee.

Obviously Nicola Sturgeon is an experienced and decisive leader. It is probably too much to expect for Scottish football authorities to show similar levels of leadership, but they need to very quickly get not just guidance but hard and fast rules out there regarding what happens if breaches occur, and they need to be tough. Scottish football likes to make it up as it goes along and it leads to acrimony, bitterness and avoidable difficult situations, such as the Hearts palaver all summer. They can stop this become similar if they want to, but they'll need tough rules that they're prepared to enforce.

[hibbyfraelibby]

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That would cause a legal minefield, as the clubs aren't responsible for what the players do in their own time. Nobody fined for breaching lockdown have also had their employer punished; it isn't the employers' fault. If clubs had given the okay to such behaviour, that's another matter. Perhaps it was a mistake to re-start at this time.

Any employer would be entitled to consider this an incident of gross misconduct and grounds for dismissal.

There are numetous precedents in employment law cases where someone's personal actions away from their place of work has resulted in their legitimate dismissal.

This case is no different to any other just because it involves football. No legal minefield.

[Blaster]

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I'd like to see both Aberdeen and Celtic fine all involved the maximum they can legally get away with, then donate the fines to the SPFL Trust. If the league gets stopped that money can be paid out to the clubs who are left out of pocket.

Correct. And the PFA should come out and say they fully support clubs who fine their players for breaching the rules.

[HFC93]

Remember when Stuart Kettlewell (and a few folk on here) slated Hibs for sensibly not going ahead with a bounce game and sticking to the rules? Interested in what he has got to say on Celtic and Aberdeen situation.

[0762]

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The whole construction industry were allowed back at the same time. Football was given special dispensation over other sports and they’ve thrown it back in our faces. Your analogy is stupid.

Absolutely - Football lobbied hard to get restarted. In doing so collectively they need to put in place checks that ensure this sort of thing can't happen.

Anyone who jeopardises the fixtures taking place because of clear breaches of the rules should have the book thrown at them. Clubs need to be properly disciplining players. The SPFL and if need be the SFA should be further sanction the players with suspensions. If we can sanction players for betting on games and even making social media comments there has to be a rule that could cover them breaking the law.

[Keith_M]

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Going to Spain and not saying is extreme but there will be lots of other breaches of guidance by players - in the same way as people everyday now are far more relaxed with respect to following the guidance.

The Aberdeen thing was daft but I really wouldn’t expect a widespread footballer problem here any more than you’d see in the general population.

Similar breaches won't shutdown other industries, but there is that danger when it comes to football.

Whether that seems fair or not, they are being judged by entirely different standards.

[Brooster]

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Personally, I think Bolingoli should have been firmly booted out of Parkhead, £3m transfer fee or no transfer fee.

I'm hearing he's been sacked.