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So what actually was your point then, as I don't get it?
"of a country of... What again"
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31-07-2020 10:49 AM #31
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31-07-2020 11:01 AM #33
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A country of... how many million? But just list the bad guys? That’s what I meant by it. Not that I need to and I don’t know why I am after being pressured to by you.
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31-07-2020 11:05 AM #34
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31-07-2020 11:25 AM #35This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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Im not doing anything of the kind.
You said you weren't accusing him of Islamophobia (which I accept), so I simply asked you what it was you actually meant, as it wasn't clear.
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31-07-2020 11:54 AM #37This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Get that so far to ****''It's always been just part of the culture. Growing up, for most working-class kids, is all about football, music or clothes. You might not have much money, but whatever you have got, you're going to look good.'' - Paul Weller
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31-07-2020 12:08 PM #38
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31-07-2020 12:25 PM #39This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
I agree with you that football club owners (or anyone else) shouldn't generally be held accountable for their government's actions, but in this case it literally is the government.
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31-07-2020 12:26 PM #41
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The ideological creed, Wahabism, that props up their regime is, yes, only supported by a minority of their citizens, but it's still about 40 per cent. It does mean their own people are oppressed, women, Shi'a, Christians and other minorities.
The fact that the owner of Newcastle was going to be a murderer was saying a lot about our society too, when broadcasting rights of the EPL, likely held more sway than human ones.
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31-07-2020 12:29 PM #42
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In my opinion - Newcastle are a mid table side, at best. No really good players really want to go up and play in Newcastle unless they're having silly money thrown at them to do it. And why would they? Newcastle aren't a Man Utd or Liverpool or Arsenal, yeah they had a bit of success in the 90's when they were chucking more money about than other teams, but they stopped doing that and found their level. Unless they find someone else to buy the club who's willing to throw money at them like Chelsea and Man City have had, then they'll remain a mid table club generally.
Aye their fans are passionate, but so what? So are Evertons. So are Villas. So are West Hams.
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31-07-2020 01:06 PM #44
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However the EPL is awash with Chinese, Russian, Emirati and Qatari money and drawing a distinction between the club ‘owners’ and the respective ruling thugs in these states is impossible. Putin had the last say on the Chelsea deal (as he does on everything in Russia), the rulers of Dubai on the Man City deal, Chinese gov the same etc. etc.
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31-07-2020 01:07 PM #45This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
I think ALL organised religions are a load of b*ll*cks, so that probably makes me even worse.
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31-07-2020 02:13 PM #48This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
https://www.football365.com/news/the...w-they-fared-2
Biggest Spenders in the EPL per year -
95/96 - Newcastle...finished 2nd
96/97 - Newcastle...finished 2nd
97/98 - Newcastle - finished 13th
So, that'll be me proved right then?
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31-07-2020 02:24 PM #49
Given the money being ploughed in to the biggest clubs in England, in an attempt to either win the league or qualify for the 'Champions League', it's amazing to think that Blackburn achieved something similar using Jack Walker's investment in the 90s.
In comparison to the people that have invested in Manchester City, Chelsea and others, Walker would be a pauper.
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31-07-2020 08:28 PM #50Originally Posted by eastyThis quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
95/96 was money spent from the sale of Andy Cole £6.5m to Man Utd, and was spent on Ferdinand and Ginola. Asprilla is what skewed it (although that wasn’t until late February) and was only possible after the sale of Ruel Fox to Spurs provided the majority of the funds.
96/97 simple answer .. Alan Shearer. Had to break transfer records in order to bring him “home”. Keegan’s only signing that season.
97/98 Not Keegan’s era, so not sure you can use it in response to post about Keegan signings .. but ..
Tomasson £2.5m and Pistone £4.5m the big close season signings, only possible after the sale of Ferdinand £6m. Gary Speed £5.5m wasn’t signed until February, and only possible after the January sale of Asprilla for £6m.
So some expensive signings, which I agree made Newcastle biggest spenders, but only possible due to some expensive transfers in the opposite direction.
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31-07-2020 08:58 PM #51
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31-07-2020 08:59 PM #52
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I know fans have a different take, but I don't understand the hate for Ashley - he seems to me to have provided managers with boat loads of cash - they just haven't spent it very well. From afar, it seems strange - but I must be missing something because, as you say, it seems like all the fans want rid of him. I think you need to be local to understand the ups and downs of it all.
But do Newcastle fans not sometimes look at local rivals like Sunderland and Middlesborough and think they're not doing too badly?
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01-08-2020 11:02 AM #54This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
...unless you count the Intertoto plaque?
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If you take the last 5 seasons transfer dealings you will see that very little has been spent in terms of income (league money, transfer money and 50k fans each home game).
The last half a dozen transfer windows have usually involved “takeover speculation” which has been a convenient way of Ashley avoiding expensive transfers. Joelinton has probably been the exception to the rule.
You are correct though, we’ve spent some ridiculous amounts on big name flops. It was Ashley that put a stop to that and introduced a wage structure that probably prevents our ability to ever buy big again.
Transfer spends aside, there has been the manager/boardroom issues with people like Dennis Wise, Kinnear, etc. coming in and showing complete disrespect to the supporters.
About the only thing I could give Ashley credit for is his ticket pricing. My season ticket works out at around £435, which is only fractionally more expensive than my Hibs one.
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In my 40 odd years of supporting Newcastle I’ve never really expected to win anything. The closest I came to thinking that was the UEFA Cup in 2003/4 when I thought we were in with a real chance. Unfortunately Marseille and Drogba put paid to that in the away leg of the semi-final.
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14-08-2020 04:23 PM #55
Really good podcast on the subject https://open.spotify.com/episode/1De...Rru7oROtMSny-Q
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Newcastle were possibly weeks away from going to the wall when Ashley came in. Freddy Shepherd had bought into the kind of finance model that sent Leeds and Bolton into jeopardy.
I know the fans hate him, largely because of some crass decisions and bizarre behaviour, but it’s not been all bad. I think sacking Keegan and employing his cockney advisors was the turning point.
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Dubai have bugger all to do with Manchester City and never had.
Scotland are hardly in a position to pontificate about poisonous religious ideology as no country in the world has been more afflicted with religious bigotry in football.
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