Youth academy - disbanded?

[bigwheel]

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If a kid has been in pro youth since they were 8 then their experience of competitive football by the time they reach the first team is almost non existent. I think that shows in the type of players we are developing.


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What’s the best alternative Ozy? Interested


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[greenlex]

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I’ll take that. The pathway from youths to the first team has been farcical for years.

No it’s not. Stop making things up.

[greenlex]

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Ryan Porteous and Jamie Gullan are small and weak?

Stop it. It’ll never catch on.

[Brightside]

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What’s the best alternative Ozy? Interested


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Community clubs. Spartans Hutchie. Porty. Lochend. Tynie. And plenty others.

[Clarence]

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Also allows for a complete overhaul to aim to become far more effective

This

[bigwheel]

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Community clubs. Spartans Hutchie. Porty. Lochend. Tynie. And plenty others.

Appreciate that . do they get better first team experience than playing for academy teams ?


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[Brightside]

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Appreciate that . do they get better first team experience than playing for academy teams ?


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We are talking football up to 15/16. It’s competitive from age 12+ and they have chances to play in Scottish cups etc. You can win nothing at Pro-Youth. Imagine playing pro youth for 8 years then getting dropped and you’ve not even got a wee medal for all your efforts. There are very few positives from pro youth football.

[Fanforlife]

Hopefully this helps end rumours and confusion regarding academy closing. Son in law just phoned me with update on grandsons situation at academy. All parents were on zoom conference call with Hibs on Monday,told as things stand there will be no football activity for academy kids this year,it remains mothballed as it has been since March. Every signed player from this season will be offered a 1 year contract from January 2021,traing videos etc will still be sent to all academy players .Hopefully they all stick in and come back with an even more burning desire to make the grade after losing out on so much playing and proper training time.

[0762]

Disappointing reading if the Academy is to be closed (whether short term or permanent) but its probably a sign of things to come.
As soon as the government finish the furlough scheme fully expect redundancies and unemployment to rise significantly as the financial impact of this pandemic is going to hit for a good few years yet.

[04Sauzee]

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Hopefully this helps end rumours and confusion regarding academy closing. Son in law just phoned me with update on grandsons situation at academy. All parents were on zoom conference call with Hibs on Monday,told as things stand there will be no football activity for academy kids this year,it remains mothballed as it has been since March. Every signed player from this season will be offered a 1 year contract from January 2021,traing videos etc will still be sent to all academy players .Hopefully they all stick in and come back with an even more burning desire to make the grade after losing out on so much playing and proper training time.

Thanks for the update, and hope the wee man can enjoy football again soon

[Pagan Hibernia]

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Hopefully this helps end rumours and confusion regarding academy closing. Son in law just phoned me with update on grandsons situation at academy. All parents were on zoom conference call with Hibs on Monday,told as things stand there will be no football activity for academy kids this year,it remains mothballed as it has been since March. Every signed player from this season will be offered a 1 year contract from January 2021,traing videos etc will still be sent to all academy players .Hopefully they all stick in and come back with an even more burning desire to make the grade after losing out on so much playing and proper training time.

thanks for this.

its been a depressing thread for those of us who believe Hibs future should be based around producing and developing our own players.

if the academy had to close for a year or so, to save the football club, then so be it, but I’d expect to hear reassurances from the board that it will be brought back as soon as finances allow. Particularly as Ron Gordon has already stated that making our youth system the best in the country is one of his priorities

[neil7908]

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Hopefully this helps end rumours and confusion regarding academy closing. Son in law just phoned me with update on grandsons situation at academy. All parents were on zoom conference call with Hibs on Monday,told as things stand there will be no football activity for academy kids this year,it remains mothballed as it has been since March. Every signed player from this season will be offered a 1 year contract from January 2021,traing videos etc will still be sent to all academy players .Hopefully they all stick in and come back with an even more burning desire to make the grade after losing out on so much playing and proper training time.

Good stuff. Binning the youth set up is short term gain for long term pain.

[Ozyhibby]

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Community clubs. Spartans Hutchie. Porty. Lochend. Tynie. And plenty others.

Yip. Spend money on helping these clubs improve their coaching. Clubs can still run training camps etc. Playing competitive football is very different and some boys thrive and others don’t.
Right now the SFA take more money out of youth football than they put in. It’s a disgrace.


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[Ozyhibby]

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Good stuff. Binning the youth set up is short term gain for long term pain.

Is it? Our youth system is hopeless. It doesn’t produce players good enough for Hibs.


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[neil7908]

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Is it? Our youth system is hopeless. It doesn’t produce players good enough for Hibs.


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We will always need to have players coming through - trying to rely on the transfer market for a club our size is a recipe for disaster.

[Pagan Hibernia]

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Is it? Our youth system is hopeless. It doesn’t produce players good enough for Hibs.


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Ryan Porteous is absolutely good enough to play for Hibs

[monarch]

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Ryan Porteous and Jamie Gullan are small and weak?

In the 12 year history of East Mains Ryan Porteous is the only graduate who could really be described as a first team regular.
Jamie Gullan looks like he’ll make it but even he spent his earlier days at the Hearts academy.

[WhileTheChief..]

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Devastating for the kids in the set up, I hope they manage to keep their spirits up and Hibs support them in whatever way we can mentally and practically in terms of finding a new club.

That said I don’t think an academy is really needed for us, if we produce really good ones the chances are they’ll get cherry picked by a bigger club and if they don’t there’s no guarantees they’ll be able to develop the way we want them to do and even then, if there’s an established senior player in their position it can be even more difficult for them to make the break through.

I think a club of our size should be copying the Brentford set up and picking up the bigger clubs cast offs, better chance of getting the good ones in positions we likely need at a fraction of the cost and resources spent on it.

It won’t be a popular decision but it’s the right one imo.

Agree with all of this.

I wouldn’t spend a thing on youth development.

I’d also be picking up the best youngsters from the smaller clubs. McGinn being the prime example.

[Pagan Hibernia]

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In the 12 year history of East Mains Ryan Porteous is the only graduate who could really be described as a first team regular.
Jamie Gullan looks like he’ll make it but even he spent his earlier days at the Hearts academy.

Which indicates that the problem is with what we do in our academy, not the idea of an academy itself.

if other clubs can successfully develop their own players then hibs can too

[Billy Whizz]

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Which indicates that the problem is with what we do in our academy, not the idea of an academy itself.

if other clubs can successfully develop their own players then hibs can too

3 managers in 2019 doesn’t help in the slightest

[Pagan Hibernia]

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3 managers in 2019 doesn’t help in the slightest

agree.

personally I’d be happy with one good first team player coming through every two years. I think that would constitute a reasonable success

I would absolutely hate for Hibs to give up on youth development completely

[JimBHibees]

[QUOTE=Pagan Hibernia;6210647]agree.

personally I’d be happy with one good first team player coming through every two years. I think that would constitute a reasonable success

I would absolutely hate for Hibs to give up on youth development completely[/QUOTE]

Absolutely agree.

[Ozyhibby]

I don’t want us to give up on it but we should def look at whether we are getting our money worth. Would the money be better spent paying to get the best young players in Scotland at an older age? Say we spend £500k a year on the academy, would that money be better spent bringing in the midfielder from St. Johnstone and Nisbet from the pars? If we do that every year we will likely have more young players in our first team squad with sell on potential than we are managing just now? And we could do it every year rather than hoping a player comes through every 4 years.


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[Gerard]

In light of the current financial situation can we afford to own and run a dedicated TA? If we can't own such a thing we could find a TA similar to Hearts for the use if our players.

[GreenCastle]

Interesting discussion and I can see the points on both sides.

They can be very expensive to operate. Even in England some of the costs of these teams playing and travelling - is it worth it without selling a player for several million every so often to find the operation.

I watched quite a lot of development games and wasn’t too impressed with the talent - not just Hibs but usually opposition too.

Good young players are usually picked up early by teams with more resources but there are a few late developers.

Change of mangers and needing instant success also means less chance of development - Hecky recently being a prime example.

But I would be looking at the bigger failings of Scottish youth development - Project Brave ?! Is there not funding associated with this ? Was there not plans for an indoor pitch?

My concerns is that our best talent goes to Hearts.

Why can’t coaches do smaller sessions once the restrictions each? Players can still be coached ??

I do hope Hibs have provided support to the players as mental health etc is very common in youth these days.

I wasn’t liking the idea of jobs for the boys at East Mains. The only guy I think was decent was Gareth Evans.

The rest wasn’t sure about and rumours that Eddie May is away too.

Some clarity from the club would be useful as again media leaks aren’t great for public image and for fans who are trying to help improve the club.

[The dalmeny]

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Hopefully this helps end rumours and confusion regarding academy closing. Son in law just phoned me with update on grandsons situation at academy. All parents were on zoom conference call with Hibs on Monday,told as things stand there will be no football activity for academy kids this year,it remains mothballed as it has been since March. Every signed player from this season will be offered a 1 year contract from January 2021,traing videos etc will still be sent to all academy players .Hopefully they all stick in and come back with an even more burning desire to make the grade after losing out on so much playing and proper training time.

Will they get the opportunity to play boys club up to then?

[Hibernianrus]

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In the 12 year history of East Mains Ryan Porteous is the only graduate who could really be described as a first team regular.
Jamie Gullan looks like he’ll make it but even he spent his earlier days at the Hearts academy.

The pro youth system will bring the occasional talent through but it is mainly taken up with Jersey fillers. There may be 1 or 2 prospects in any age group and then the rest of the squad are just slightly better than average but with little or no chance of making it to our first team. The Brentford model where they pick up older kids let go from other sides is the cheapest way to operate. However you can’t beat watching one of the academy boys making it right through to the first team. It is a savage environment for the kids at times. My mates son was in the academy from age 9 until 15 and they phoned his dad and told him he wasn’t getting signed for the following season. Gave up football as a result .

[The dalmeny]

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We are talking football up to 15/16. It’s competitive from age 12+ and they have chances to play in Scottish cups etc. You can win nothing at Pro-Youth. Imagine playing pro youth for 8 years then getting dropped and you’ve not even got a wee medal for all your efforts. There are very few positives from pro youth football.

This, seen boys coming out pro youth and struggling in some of these community teams.

[EI255]

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I think we'll see it reinstated in the future.

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[Iggy Pope]

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Hopefully this helps end rumours and confusion regarding academy closing. Son in law just phoned me with update on grandsons situation at academy. All parents were on zoom conference call with Hibs on Monday,told as things stand there will be no football activity for academy kids this year,it remains mothballed as it has been since March. Every signed player from this season will be offered a 1 year contract from January 2021,traing videos etc will still be sent to all academy players .Hopefully they all stick in and come back with an even more burning desire to make the grade after losing out on so much playing and proper training time.

An informed post. Can’t imagine many clubs our size (and downwards) will be in a different position really. How could they? There is no football at the level and none looking likely for a while. Might’ve been the only positive to come out of the Huns suggestion for colts sides to be introduced somehow but not just to suit those two.