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Thread: Jambos Legal Challenge
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16-06-2020 03:25 PM #121
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16-06-2020 03:29 PM #122
Must behave towards the Scottish FA and other members with the utmost good faith.
This is from SFA rules.
Haven’t see yet exactly what Hearts/PT court actions are but surely when this happens all the SFA have to do is Cancel their License. Inform UEFA/FIFA what is happening confirm they support it.
No court case as why would Hearts go to court win or lose they won’t play football again . SFA UEFA FIFA will not approve a Licencse.
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16-06-2020 03:35 PM #123
UEFA’s 2 criteria for ending the season early were as follows......
-Existence of an official order prohibiting sports events so that the domestic competitions cannot be completed before a date that would make it possible to complete the current season in good time before the next season to start.
-Insurmountable economic problems which make finishing the season impossible because it would put at risk the long-term financial stability of the domestic competition and/or clubs.
I presume the SPFL have enough evidence to prove one or both of these criteria were met.
The reconstruction issue was thoroughly considered, a variety of proposals put forward and I can’t see how a court can overturn a democratic decision that had well over 50% of all clubs backing it.
The only weakness I can see in the SPFL’s defence is the whole Dundee voting farce. If Hearts or Partick can prove voter fraud or some kind of invalidity of the outcome this would be a matter of complete incompetence by the SPFL board.
I would presume the SPFL have their ducks in a row and are confident of the integrity of the vote and wil have explained this satisfacorily to all the clubs..
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16-06-2020 03:45 PM #124This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Of course they have their ducks in a row. Doncaster is making complete tits out of hearts. I think that is why it has dragged on so long. He had to allow them every opportunity to put forward a case for reconstruction that would be acceptable to enough clubs using the current voting set up. Hearts are a complete laughing stock but their cheerleaders in BBCjambo will make them out to be martyrs on a crusade to save Scottish football
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16-06-2020 03:47 PM #125
I’m late to this party but is this a joint effort or is Budge just finding PTFC legal bid?
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16-06-2020 03:49 PM #126
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16-06-2020 03:59 PM #127
I feel a bit sorry for Partick as I think the SPFL could have used a more advanced method of average points per game that took into account the games that each team still had left to play. If that would have made a difference to them I don’t know but we had plenty time on our hands so it’s something that could have been calculated.
Other than that though, if they didn’t want relegated they should have won more games, or put forward a proposal for a 12-12-10-10 league set up. The fact they never suggests they were just wanting to hang onto Hearts cost tails and presumably want them to front the legal challenge.
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16-06-2020 04:03 PM #128
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They will lose a lot more money than us (relatively) due to being the worst team in their league. We weren't.
And actually now I consider it, we could have had a European qualification and run in Europe so who knows how much we've potentially missed out on?
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16-06-2020 04:05 PM #129
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16-06-2020 04:11 PM #130
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Given that it's not certain even now that the new season will begin on 1st August I'd say that the first of the UEFA criteria is definitely satisfied.
If the procedure round the Dundee vote was declared invalid couldn't the SPFL simply repeat the vote with proper attention to admin details? To be successful I reckon Hearts/PT would have to establish that the substance of the vote infringed either the SPFL's own constitution or some broader legal principle.
We'll find out before too long whether they really think they have a case or are just trying to be a sufficient nuisance to attract a payoff to shut up.
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16-06-2020 04:14 PM #131
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I've said this already on other threads, every club could say they might have finished further up the leagues they are in, which all carry bigger prize money.
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16-06-2020 04:30 PM #133
Do PTFC actually realise their football licence could be at risk here.
They’ve went from having some class to selling their soul!
Budge btw has played a blinder and is not only going to shaft hearts but PTFC too.
Mind you PTFc are their own entity but I really do wonder what advice they have taken.
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16-06-2020 04:35 PM #134
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I did think if the vote was against reconstruction then Partick (and Stranraer) should then suggest the 12-12-10-10 structure however that doesn’t stand much chance either because the 16-26 result means it wasn't just the Premiership against it.
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16-06-2020 04:43 PM #136
I think Thistle should now make a proposal for a 12-12-10-10 structure for next season.
It would have wide ranging benefits without any down sides for the current 12 premiership teams.
- Kelty and Brora would be promoted.
- Thistle and Stranraer wouldn't be relegated.
- The Premiership wouldn't be subject to the ridiculous 6-8 split from the 14 team proposal.
The fact that the only club to gain no benefit would be Hearts is irrelevant. Just pay them a wee bit compo and tell them to get on with it.
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16-06-2020 04:45 PM #137
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16-06-2020 04:46 PM #138
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Have I missed something here?
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16-06-2020 04:46 PM #139
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Yeah, but it was a game in hand against a playoff team. They were bottom for a reason and almost certainly would have lost it anyway.
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16-06-2020 04:53 PM #140
We’ve been going round in circles for weeks. Could have would have should haves dont cut it. The season ended abruptly with current places final for a few very good reasons.
There is no case.
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16-06-2020 05:00 PM #142
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If there was a case, then none of the final places can be accepted, however I dont see the likes of Tom English risking upsetting the likes of Celtic by, recognising this is the logic of where they are going.
Why should everyone have to accept a final table based on average points, except the worst teams in each league? The ones who do deserve to be losers.
Its a nonsense.
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16-06-2020 05:12 PM #144This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
It was all targeted to save one club and one club only I hope the SFA (go on Rod) have briefed UEFA and serious sanctions can be implemented very soon.
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16-06-2020 05:14 PM #145This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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16-06-2020 05:45 PM #146This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Possibly, but I have a feeling that it'll never reach that stage.
I think the most likely outcome, after much greeting and wailing from Thistle and Hearts, will be that the SPFL will announce that they've come to an amicable agreement regarding compensation, Hearts will announce that they've won the war, and that'll be an end to itLast edited by Keith_M; 16-06-2020 at 05:50 PM.
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16-06-2020 05:48 PM #147
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The two other options available were playing the league to a conclusion - which was deemed to be impossible - and declaring the league null and void. The downside of null and void was that the prize money couldn't have been paid for something that didn't happen.
So, to re-iterate, what's the least awful option for Scottish football? And the answer is reconstruction on a 12-12-10-10 format.
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16-06-2020 06:05 PM #148This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
That was the Hearts/ ICT/ TTRFC plan.
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16-06-2020 06:11 PM #149
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Nobody seems to be complaining about the method, just about the outcome.
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