FIFA allowing five subs to remain until the end of the 20/21 season ... I can see bigger clubs pushing for this to be permanent beyond next season gaining another advantage with their bigger and better squads.
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15-07-2020 03:14 PM #1
Five substitutes to remain until end of next season (and beyond?)
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15-07-2020 03:35 PM #4
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Anything to help the bigger teams. Only benefits teams with bigger budgets.
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15-07-2020 03:56 PM #5
Good thing in terms of players health and fitness and for giving more young players a chance. Strange to see folk so quick to look for negatives. How often has the 4th or 5th sub actually impacted games in favour of these big teams so far?
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15-07-2020 03:57 PM #6
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I see no issue with it personally. It's like a lot of things people get scared of the change but actually it would be hugely beneficial for youth development (if used properly for that purpose). Having the two extra subs could mean seeing 10/15 minutes for younger players who perhaps wouldn't get the chance over the first team players who come on before them.
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They aren't happy unless they are changing something in my book
Edit I can handle one extra sub if it goes to extra time
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15-07-2020 04:04 PM #9
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I don’t see it as a huge deal, bringing lots of players on normally upsets the game
for that team. If only jimmy calderwood was still a manager you could see him throwing on 5 forwards in the last 10 minutes.
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15-07-2020 04:04 PM #10This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
The biggest teams already have top class players on the bench, who often don't even get on. I don't see this changing much, not for the worse anyway.
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15-07-2020 04:08 PM #11
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Too many changes disrupt the game. I don’t think it’s a good thing.
Players are conditioned to play 90 minutes. I don’t see the need for 5 subs.
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15-07-2020 04:12 PM #12
If they made it permanent then how long before line changes, rolling subs or specialist free kick takers are suggested as well?
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15-07-2020 04:17 PM #15
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I actually doubt at 2-2 with 3 subs made each you’ll see many managers make any more subs with 10 minutes to go. I think these are more used when a game is done and they’re protecting players/trying out new ones usually.
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15-07-2020 04:21 PM #16
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Don’t think there’ll be that many players in our league who will play 9 or 10 games a month plus internationals in any case.
I don’t think it’s adds much regard to youth development either. Sticking a couple of boys on for the last 10 or 15 minutes, probably when a game is done. Leave it as is, and if volume of games is and issue for older players, give the young boys a proper chance.Last edited by B.H.F.C; 15-07-2020 at 04:23 PM.
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15-07-2020 05:23 PM #17
It is still in 3 bursts....
I think it will benefit bigger clubs more.
If the game is 2-2 with 10 to go and you can bring on another top class player, then you will. Big clubs get to keep all their big players happy with game time and so get bigger.
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15-07-2020 06:05 PM #18
I can see the logic for the coming season but the impact will depend on how it is implemented.
If it's simply five subs but only three stoppages, that favours bigger clubs who can bring on better quality players than smaller clubs. Think Celtc vs Hamilton, Rangers vs St Mirren or Hearts vs Alloa.
On the other hand, if Scottish football decides that two of the subs have to be 21 or younger, it would reduce the benefit to the big money clubs and help get youngsters game time.Mature, sensible signature required for responsible position. Good prospects for the right candidate. Apply within.
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15-07-2020 09:10 PM #19This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
I’d like to see Scotland adopt it but make the extra two subs have to be homegrown u21 players. So you’d essentially still have 3 normal subs but the other two would give a great opportunity to youngsters where they’re not having to compete to get on with experienced pros. Of course teams might not use they two but it would be better than watching Celtic and Rangers bringing on 5 guys in their peak.
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15-07-2020 09:48 PM #20
I quite like the idea that if you've had a nightmare first half that you can make sweeping changes and still have something left over to guard against being hampered by injuries later in the game.
Quite like the idea tbh, but I would like to consider it a maximum of 5 subs. You can disrupt your team too much, and 3 os often about the optimum number of subs during a game for me so I wouldn't want to see us often use more than that number.
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16-07-2020 07:33 AM #21
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16-07-2020 07:41 AM #22
A nonsense rule. As is the waterbreaks. Hopefully Scotland doesnt implement either.
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16-07-2020 08:09 AM #23
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Even if it is 5 subs over a max three occasions, I'd be interested to see an analysis of the actual time it takes for all these subs to take place, against the supposed 30secs time added on per substitution. And an additional comparison looking at the last 10mins of the game and the time it takes the winning team to make an exchange compared to the time it takes a losing team to make an exchange.
I like the idea of rolling subs but not in the sense of players coming off and going back on again willy nilly. Just that you have to make an exchange while play goes on. Maybe an experimental law in the League Cup?
[QUOTE=Mon Dieu4;6236304]Im against all big changes in the game 5 subs, VAR, don't mind goal line tech of that's used but they are changing the fabric of the game when there is no need, plenty of other things they could do instead like stealing 10 yards from a throw in or shielding the ball out over the line for a goal kick etc
Easily resolved by having a short line perpendicular to the touchline every 10 yards and you have to take the shy within the 10yard sector where the ball went out. Encroach outside the sector with ball in hand, even before taking the shy, and you lose possession.
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16-07-2020 08:13 AM #24
I'd prefer unlimited subs with players who've gone off being able to come back on, that would place much more importance on managers tactical nous, stop the clock for subs so nobody can take the pish with wasting time. The amount of times I've watched us come undone and knowing it was about to happen because we couldn't change anything as we'd used all our subs, it'll happen up and down the land. However, that would spell the end of my favourite ever thing in football, an outfield player having to go in goals
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I'm not in favour of five subs. It will encourage rotational fouling, waste time and break up the game too much. It's a farcical suggestion, we'll end up with half ta team of outfield players changing during the course of a match. Not for me.
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16-07-2020 09:18 AM #26
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16-07-2020 03:22 PM #27
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[QUOTE=Greenbeard;6236699]Is it still 30secs added even for two or three subs coming on at the one time?
Even if it is 5 subs over a max three occasions, I'd be interested to see an analysis of the actual time it takes for all these subs to take place, against the supposed 30secs time added on per substitution. And an additional comparison looking at the last 10mins of the game and the time it takes the winning team to make an exchange compared to the time it takes a losing team to make an exchange.
I like the idea of rolling subs but not in the sense of players coming off and going back on again willy nilly. Just that you have to make an exchange while play goes on. Maybe an experimental law in the League Cup?
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Great idea but I'd have 5 yards
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16-07-2020 03:41 PM #28This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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16-07-2020 06:14 PM #29
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Just make them take the throw at or behind the point where the ball went out and penalise if the ball is released is released ahead of that point. The biggest problem would be the 27 reversals at each throw in until players finally start paying attention.Mature, sensible signature required for responsible position. Good prospects for the right candidate. Apply within.
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