Summer 2020-21 transfer thread

[MWHIBBIES]

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TBF he has a point, it's meant to be the transfer thread and all that's being discussed over the last 2 pages is McGinn and if he's good enough, maybe a new thread dedicated to him might help.

A transfer thread is a very broad thing, though. To me its perfectly reasonable to discuss the quality of a fairly recent signing and if we should be looking to add another player in that position.

[The Modfather]

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Do you think Stevenson has regressed as a player? He’s been good enough to be a part of a top 4 side as recently as 2 seasons ago.

We’ve been regressing because we’ve been diabolical in midfield, mainly.

Our form from about November was comfortably top 4 form. That’s mainly because Boyle was back, Doidge was scoring and Docherty helped improve the midfield beyond recognition. That was a team that had Stevenson as a regular (even if I admit he probably wasn’t at his best during that time) and McGinn featuring towards the end.

They’re not players to get us up and in about the top 2, but they’re good enough to be “other players” in a team that has quality elsewhere.

My hunch is that Gogic is going to help the whole defensive unit no end.

I think Stevenson has regressed quite a lot, perhaps physically more than anything. He’s still as fit as he has always been but think Father Time has caught up on him. Last season he was particularly guilty of going inside and standing off his man with no actual attempt to stop the cross IMO. Equally he’s been a mainstay of a team that’s gone from 4th - 5th - 6th.

I think the second half of 17/18 was the peak of Stevenson & Hanlon performance wise. Both deserved to be included in the discussion for Scotland squads IMO. I don’t think either have been anywhere near that level since then. Stevenson dropping off more so IMO. Although I do have some sympathy for them in the non existent protection in front of them and having to play behind Horgan.

[Eyrie]

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CH ? what about Hunter and Murray?

The announcement on the official site refers to Potts as a versatile central midfielder.

[Brightside]

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The announcement on the official site refers to Potts as a versatile central midfielder.

She can play as a DM but was a CH all season for Sunderland.

[EAZY-ME]

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I think Stevenson has regressed quite a lot, perhaps physically more than anything. He’s still as fit as he has always been but think Father Time has caught up on him. Last season he was particularly guilty of going inside and standing off his man with no actual attempt to stop the cross IMO. Equally he’s been a mainstay of a team that’s gone from 4th - 5th - 6th.

I think the second half of 17/18 was the peak of Stevenson & Hanlon performance wise. Both deserved to be included in the discussion for Scotland squads IMO. I don’t think either have been anywhere near that level since then. Stevenson dropping off more so IMO. Although I do have some sympathy for them in the non existent protection in front of them and having to play behind Horgan.

As much as i like stevenson and hanlon i think its going to thier last season

[Smartie]

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The second half of that season was the best football Stevenson has played in his whole career IMO. He was outstanding and hasn’t got remotely close to that level in the two years since. So, yes, you could argue he has regressed.

Whilst I don’t necessarily disagree with the point on our midfield, our defenders get an easy ride IMO. Defenders are there to defend but there is always someone else to blame when they don’t do that. Countless goals lost last year down to individual errors in the back three or four (you only need to look as far back as our last game to see that).

I’d like to see how Stevenson would get on with excuses removed. Same with Hanlon, really.

I don’t think it’s a coincidence Lewis played his best football with Kamberi on form, up front and pulling left, a settled defence and an outstanding central midfield.

I also fully accept when you say that our defenders haven’t played well enough and that they shouldn’t be entirely absolved of blame. I’d just be starting to fix things by getting the midfield right before starting on the defence.

[mjhibby]

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Agree with all that but it is maybe the wider point that there are always calls to sign a level of player while there are teams finishing above us with players who, if we signed, would have this site in meltdown.

Indeed. Remember when we signed Paul fenwick and Tom Smith. A few perplexed fans but both imho were cracking signings. Gogic I think will make a huge difference and Nisbet with only get better with more games in the spl. They are two cracking signings and has me buzzing for the season to start. Apologies to the doom mongers for my ridiculous optimism.🤣

[Lago]

QUOTE=MWHIBBIES;6233835]People are having a discussion about football which is the purpose of the site.

Not just aimed at you but comments like this are, in my opinion, far more annoying than any arguing or debates going on and contribute absolutely nothing.[/QUOTE]
Difficult to describe it as a discussion about football, more like a character assassination.

[CMurdoch]

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As much as i like stevenson and hanlon i think its going to thier last season

In January Stevenson is 33 and Hanlon is 31.
You could be right on Stevenson but Hanlon should be about for a few more years yet.

Biggest mistake Hibs have made in recent times with the older players was giving David Gray a new playing contract. Those of us thinking with our heads rather than our hearts thought it was madness given his obvious injury issues. If they wanted to do right by David they should have made a promise, in writing, of a coaching contract on retirement.
As a result of this sentimental decision we have chucked money at James, Naismith and now McGinn and are no further forward on the right back front than we were at the end of SDG's contract. Add the cash spent on fees and wages on all 4 players over the last year and we could have had a top class right back for the same money.
My fingers are firmly crossed that the enforced extended rest has allowed SDG's body to recover fully and give him a final season worthy of his ability.

[04Sauzee]

Hibs fan account reporting the following. He normally gets things off here but haven't seen it reported so thought I'd share it

Few teams abroad & English lower champ/league one interested in Melker Hallberg. Under contract so would likely cost a fee.

[MWHIBBIES]

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As much as i like stevenson and hanlon i think its going to thier last season

At Hibs? Very much doubt it. As footballers? No chance.

[Borderhibbie76]

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Hibs fan account reporting the following. He normally gets things off here but haven't seen it reported so thought I'd share it

Few teams abroad & English lower champ/league one interested in Melker Hallberg. Under contract so would likely cost a fee.

If we are getting Docherty back id imagine Hallberg would be moved on tbh

[Souter96Mac]

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Hibs fan account reporting the following. He normally gets things off here but haven't seen it reported so thought I'd share it

Few teams abroad & English lower champ/league one interested in Melker Hallberg. Under contract so would likely cost a fee.

Odd as he didn't play too many times last season, or exceptional enough to merit a great deal of interest. Perhaps Hibs are offering Hallberg out? I like him, and think there's potential there.

[Since452]

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TBF he has a point, it's meant to be the transfer thread and all that's being discussed over the last 2 pages is McGinn and if he's good enough, maybe a new thread dedicated to him might help.

Really hope he doesn't become the new boo boy like Whittaker was. The lad has done absolutely nothing wrong in a Hibs shirt. I realise I'm defeating the purpose of your post which I agree with so I'll say no more about it on this thread

[ekhibee]

So I take it Docherty's back to the Huns warming the bench for them? Would still like him at Hibs permanently.

[Rumble de Thump]

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In January Stevenson is 33 and Hanlon is 31.
You could be right on Stevenson but Hanlon should be about for a few more years yet.

Biggest mistake Hibs have made in recent times with the older players was giving David Gray a new playing contract. Those of us thinking with our heads rather than our hearts thought it was madness given his obvious injury issues. If they wanted to do right by David they should have made a promise, in writing, of a coaching contract on retirement.
As a result of this sentimental decision we have chucked money at James, Naismith and now McGinn and are no further forward on the right back front than we were at the end of SDG's contract. Add the cash spent on fees and wages on all 4 players over the last year and we could have had a top class right back for the same money.

And what would we have done if that one top class player got injured like most of the others you mentioned? It's not Gray's fault that our other right backs have been injured.

[CMurdoch]

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And what would we have done if that one top class player got injured like most of the others you mentioned? It's not Gray's fault that our other right backs have been injured.

Would have had to use one of the back ups or played someone out of position. Gray's done nothing wrong. The fault lies with the club giving him a contract when it was clear that his body could no longer sustain his all action style of defence.

[Onceinawhile]

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At Hibs? Very much doubt it. As footballers? No chance.

Dont know, Lewis turns 33 in January. It should certainly be his last season as anything even approaching a regular. The modern game requires a full back that can play both ways and whilst Lewis is solid defensively, his attacking output isn't, and never has been good enough.

He will definitely have his place for games where we expect to defend first and foremost, but we should definitely be looking to the future.

Hanlon is 31 this year and should be coming into his peak years defensively, but if anything he regressed last year and if that continues then next season will definitely be his last at our level.

[berwickhibee]

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Dont know, Lewis turns 33 in January. It should certainly be his last season as anything even approaching a regular. The modern game requires a full back that can play both ways and whilst Lewis is solid defensively, his attacking output isn't, and never has been good enough.

He will definitely have his place for games where we expect to defend first and foremost, but we should definitely be looking to the future.

Hanlon is 31 this year and should be coming into his peak years defensively, but if anything he regressed last year and if that continues then next season will definitely be his last at our level.

I agree he struggled but I want to see him with a bit of
Protection in front of him, ie gogic, before I write him off. He deserves the chance after his career.

[Bronson]

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Hibs fan account reporting the following. He normally gets things off here but haven't seen it reported so thought I'd share it

Few teams abroad & English lower champ/league one interested in Melker Hallberg. Under contract so would likely cost a fee.

Given the account that posted it, I’d take this with a rather large pinch of salt. Boys an absolute slaver, pretends to have connections but literally just copies and pastes from here or makes up whatever sounds plausible.

[My old man]

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Stevenson, any of the RB’s at the club and Horgan. That’s 3 positions I don’t think we are strong enough in for challenging for 3rd & fourth. Arguably the centre backs too, although we will find out if our poor defensive record was mainly down to the midfield or not with Gogic. Hopefully the new signings can help make us greater than the sum of our parts.

We do have some good players and the new signings will hopefully turn out to be good signings, and possibly more importantly, give us much needed balance. But this squad has taken us from 4th - 5th - 6th so I don’t think it’s unreasonable to think we have a number of players/positions not up to challenging for 3rd and 4th.

thanks for explaining I now kinda agree with you
but I do think Mcginn gives us 💯% every time I do think (hope)
gogic will protect the CB’s

[Eaststand]

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Read many St Mirren fans accounts saying he was consistently their best player. You seem to have a bizarre vendetta against a guy who signed at the end of January and due to Covid played 7 yes only seven games many of which he seemed pretty decent imo. Ffs give the guy a break. Absolutely mental

Good Post Jim.

Opinions can differ, but from reading some of the posts on this thread, it appears that some posters have a very bizzare view regarding one of our players. 🤔

GGTTH

[Onceinawhile]

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I agree he struggled but I want to see him with a bit of
Protection in front of him, ie gogic, before I write him off. He deserves the chance after his career.

Agreed, but it's not too far fetched that he could be coming to the end of the line with us.

[J-C]

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In January Stevenson is 33 and Hanlon is 31.
You could be right on Stevenson but Hanlon should be about for a few more years yet.

Biggest mistake Hibs have made in recent times with the older players was giving David Gray a new playing contract. Those of us thinking with our heads rather than our hearts thought it was madness given his obvious injury issues. If they wanted to do right by David they should have made a promise, in writing, of a coaching contract on retirement.
As a result of this sentimental decision we have chucked money at James, Naismith and now McGinn and are no further forward on the right back front than we were at the end of SDG's contract. Add the cash spent on fees and wages on all 4 players over the last year and we could have had a top class right back for the same money.
My fingers are firmly crossed that the enforced extended rest has allowed SDG's body to recover fully and give him a final season worthy of his ability.

Are you privvy to Gray and McGregor's contracts? Do we know what the full extent of their contract was? I'm led to believe it's a contract that will allow them to stay at the club to either become coaches or to become ambassadors of the club. I think they'll know that they cannot carry on forever and as they get older game time may become limited but they signed a contract probably knowing this.

[hibbyfraelibby]

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CH ? what about Hunter and Murray?

Joelle Murray is in her twilight years at this level

[CMurdoch]

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Are you privvy to Gray and McGregor's contracts? Do we know what the full extent of their contract was? I'm led to believe it's a contract that will allow them to stay at the club to either become coaches or to become ambassadors of the club. I think they'll know that they cannot carry on forever and as they get older game time may become limited but they signed a contract probably knowing this.

No, and i'm not privy to them either .
Whatever way you look at it, Gray's contract for last season was a wasted playing wage with his injuries predictable. Love the guy but he should not have been given another contract which involved playing.

[04Sauzee]

Not sure when the Transfer window runs to? There has been talk that it will be open until the end of October, by that time we will be 13 games into the season

[madhatter]

Do we think anymore will come in without leavers? Barring Kamberi who I assume will leave this week.

Any reasonable rumours? Saw Harvie and O’Donnell but don’t know how likely they are.

I think we are set in midfield unless we have leavers. Goalkeeper and defence is only position I’d assume we’d be looking at. Signing another striker would hinder Gullan and I think he’s good enough to have a chance.

[stokesmessiah]

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Do we think anymore will come in without leavers? Barring Kamberi who I assume will leave this week.

Any reasonable rumours? Saw Harvie and O’Donnell but don’t know how likely they are.

I think we are set in midfield unless we have leavers. Goalkeeper and defence is only position I’d assume we’d be looking at. Signing another striker would hinder Gullan and I think he’s good enough to have a chance.

2 defenders is what I reckon we will see coming in.

[04Sauzee]

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Do we think anymore will come in without leavers? Barring Kamberi who I assume will leave this week.

Any reasonable rumours? Saw Harvie and O’Donnell but don’t know how likely they are.

I think we are set in midfield unless we have leavers. Goalkeeper and defence is only position I’d assume we’d be looking at. Signing another striker would hinder Gullan and I think he’s good enough to have a chance.

Said it all along we will wheel and deal in this window to address the imbalance in the squad which we have already started on. I'd think some players will move on Kamberi & James and possibly more. The players that come in will give us more balance, improve the quality and reduce the wage bill.

No tall order but that's what i think will happen