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    Quote Originally Posted by B.H.F.C View Post
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    There are plenty other places operating, within the rules, which aren’t necessarily essential.

    Is it essential for Five Guys to be serving burgers? Is it essential to queue for a Costa Coffee. Is everybody shopping at B&Q purchasing an essential item?

    The EPL and it’s clubs are a commercial entity and if they can start working again they will, same as everybody else and not because they think different rules apply to them.
    But your examples above, operate with social distancing

    Wonder how the EPL will get round this


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    Quote Originally Posted by hibbyfraelibby View Post
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    Yes they do...if they actually paid their taxes in full instead of avoiding them NHS workers could be paid more funded by the government collecting said taxes.
    Bit of a sweeping statement that

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    Quote Originally Posted by Billy Whizz View Post
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    But your examples above, operate with social distancing

    Wonder how the EPL will get round this
    They’re meant to operate with social distancing, doesn’t mean they do going by some of the pictures I’ve seen.

    Simple answer where football is concerned is that if it’s still required, football doesn’t restart. Unless they do something as regards testing which they’re funding themselves.
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    Yes they do...if they actually paid their taxes in full instead of avoiding them NHS workers could be paid more funded by the government collecting said taxes.
    Are there many England based players who have avoided tax?

    Bit of a stretch to blame footballers for that, they must pay hundreds of millions in taxes along with their clubs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by B.H.F.C View Post
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    There are plenty other places operating, within the rules, which aren’t necessarily essential.

    Is it essential for Five Guys to be serving burgers? Is it essential to queue for a Costa Coffee. Is everybody shopping at B&Q purchasing an essential item?

    The EPL and it’s clubs are a commercial entity and if they can start working again they will, same as everybody else and not because they think different rules apply to them.
    That's right, because your local Costa and Five Guys staff have such a high profile in their local communities. You've got your opinion, i've got mine, let's leave it at that👍

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    Quote Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES View Post
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    Are there many England based players who have avoided tax?

    Bit of a stretch to blame footballers for that, they must pay hundreds of millions in taxes along with their clubs.
    I used the term "avoided" rather than "evaded" deliberately. Yes they pay some tax but not as much as they should.

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    That's right, because your local Costa and Five Guys staff have such a high profile in their local communities. You've got your opinion, i've got mine, let's leave it at that👍
    Opinions are one thing, but I have no idea what you’re getting at in regards to their profile in the local community? The people on the front line are working for huge multi national businesses who are operating within the rules, even if some might perceive what they do to be non essential.

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    Quote Originally Posted by B.H.F.C View Post
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    Opinions are one thing, but I have no idea what you’re getting at in regards to their profile in the local community? The people on the front line are working for huge multi national businesses who are operating within the rules, even if some might perceive what they do to be non essential.
    You've no idea how the behaviour of our footballers might impact on their communities? Deary me, I'll give you one example......we're asking our kids to stay indoors, not socialise with friends, stay away from the park, playing football. What example would their idols by setting them by getting back to business as usual?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hibbyfraelibby View Post
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    I used the term "avoided" rather than "evaded" deliberately. Yes they pay some tax but not as much as they should.
    And how do you know this?

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    You've no idea how the behaviour of our footballers might impact on their communities? Deary me, I'll give you one example......we're asking our kids to stay indoors, not socialise with friends, stay away from the park, playing football. What example would their idols by setting them by getting back to business as usual?
    What is the behaviour you speak of? Going to work? Like millions of others?

    So it’s not OK for footballers to go and train in an isolated environment with no members of the public present?

    But it’s OK for multi national businesses to open their premises and interact with thousands of members of the public?

    I don’t particularly have an issue with what B&Q (as an example) are doing as long as it’s done properly. But it’s more likely to impact on the public than Arsenal training out of sight.

    The fascination with bashing football and footballers, when it’s not really deserved, puzzles me. As for the example set to kids, speaking as a parent, that’s my job. It’s not down to Mikel Arteta.
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    Italian Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte has announced that professional sports teams can resume training on May 18.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES View Post
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    And how do you know this?

    You could have a look at the names caught up in the film investment scandal a few years ago. Plenty of well known footballers there.

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    You could have a look at the names caught up in the film investment scandal a few years ago. Plenty of well known footballers there.
    So it's public knowledge and no one's done anything? So basically it's not illegal? I mean, maybe the government are doing it themselves so they don't want to shut those loopholes.

    Look up the players together movement. The EPL players have more than played their part so far. Shame so many desperate to kick them down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES View Post
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    So it's public knowledge and no one's done anything? So basically it's not illegal? I mean, maybe the government are doing it themselves so they don't want to shut those loopholes.

    Look up the players together movement. The EPL players have more than played their part so far. Shame so many desperate to kick them down.

    You really are unbearably tedious.

    In your usual combative manner, you asked for evidence that EPL players avoided tax. I provided a source of evidence.

    You could have just acknowledged that, but instead you feel the need to argue the toss. Again.

    You are amongst a small number of know-all posters that really spoil enjoyment of this forum. It is extremely boring.

    I can’t do anything about your ignorance so will leave it there.

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    You really are unbearably tedious.

    In your usual combative manner, you asked for evidence that EPL players avoided tax. I provided a source of evidence.

    You could have just acknowledged that, but instead you feel the need to argue the toss. Again.

    You are amongst a small number of know-all posters that really spoil enjoyment of this forum. It is extremely boring.

    I can’t do anything about your ignorance so will leave it there.
    Try to keep it on topic mate. Your opinion of me isn't relevant and no one, especially me, cares about it.

    You provided a source (which you actually didn't, you mentioned it, you didn't link it) so I'm to just immediately stop replying and arguing my point.

    If I'm spoiling your enjoyment then block me, otherwise keep it on topic and keep your personal feelings to yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES View Post
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    So it's public knowledge and no one's done anything? So basically it's not illegal? I mean, maybe the government are doing it themselves so they don't want to shut those loopholes.

    Look up the players together movement. The EPL players have more than played their part so far. Shame so many desperate to kick them down.
    HMRC have

    https://www.andersentax.co.uk/hmrc-c...g-tax-schemes/

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    Sounds good.

    Still not the footballers faults though. Don't think any of them have done anything illegal. Done a lot of brilliant work to aid this crisis so far as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES View Post
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    Sounds good.

    Still not the footballers faults though. Don't think any of them have done anything illegal. Done a lot of brilliant work to aid this crisis so far as well.

    Learning the difference between avoidance and evasion would help.

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    Learning the difference between avoidance and evasion would help.
    I understand it.

    Its you who seems to fail to understand that what Liverpool pay Allison has nothing to do with what the government pay nurses.

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    I'd be delighted if hibs, and all other clubs, budgets were wholly driven by the revenue they were able to generate, and not sky tv. But i'm sure you appreciate that is primarily the case up here, hardly comparable with EPL. You telling me there would be no hibs without skt tv money?

    In regard to EPL getting back to their 'essential' work, you're correct, reading the rules they can't work from home so in theory they should be able to travel and complere their work. However, there is rules and there is what is just right and wrong, what message does it send to the general public as a whole?
    We would have to cut out cloth remarkably to stay afloat if we had zero tv money. Commercial deals and sponsorships would diminish as they wouldn’t be shown on tele and we would lose millions of TV revenues. Like I said, the exact same scenario as down south on a much smaller scale.

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    Reported that they are restarting EPL on Wed June 17 with the 2 games outstanding, Man city v Arsenal, and Sheff Utd v Aston Villa. This will then mean all clubs have played the same amount of matches, A full programme will then start the following weekend.

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    Reported that they are restarting EPL on Wed June 17 with the 2 games outstanding, Man city v Arsenal, and Sheff Utd v Aston Villa. This will then mean all clubs have played the same amount of matches, A full programme will then start the following weekend.
    Also restarting the FA cup which is currently at the QF stage, aiming for the Final to be played on August 1st. All ties will be played at Neutral venues.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES View Post
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    Sounds good.

    Still not the footballers faults though. Don't think any of them have done anything illegal. Done a lot of brilliant work to aid this crisis so far as well.

    Yeah, the poor guys were just innocent parties willing to do almost anything to keep their income out of the hands of that pesky HMRC. Only the little people pay taxes, you know.


    So the 'films' were just a total scam?... Big deal! ... Blame the accountants for misleading the wee lambs.

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    Yeah, the poor guys were just innocent parties willing to do almost anything to keep their income out of the hands of that pesky HMRC. Only the little people pay taxes, you know.


    So the 'films' were just a total scam?... Big deal! ... Blame the accountants for misleading the wee lambs.
    Little bit late on this one. It meant that it isn't the footballers fault that the NHS is underfunded. Those 2 things aren't related at all.

    Footballers have done a lot to help during this crisis. Much more than me or you.

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    All broadcast free to air, lovely 👌

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    Looking forward to seeing SJM playing tonight for Villa, in what is a massive game for them, also a big game for Sheff Utd who were promoted with Villa last season but have had a better time of it in the Premier.

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    It was an amazing game, nearly all the players were sporting new haircuts?
    Sheffield scored when the Villa player bundled his goalkeeper over the line, ref says his watch never vibrated?
    Jack Grealish took some challenges, but, he never seems to stay on his feet in any challenge?
    Social distancing after the game finished was non existent?
    All in all it was not worth watching, fans make football in stadiums work!!!!

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    Man City have covered their seating with advertising banners. Think it looks better than rows of empty seats. Probably gives them some income too.


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    The background crowd noise is pretty good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
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    Man City have covered their seating with advertising banners. Think it looks better than rows of empty seats. Probably gives them some income too.


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    Wonder if we could do something similar when our season starts.
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