NO to reconstruction

***tamig*** · 03-06-2020 07:04 PM

Originally Posted by Juice-Terry

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I'm not quite sure the outrage on here is justified. Presumably, what's happened is that Budge has finally made a formal request to SPFL to change the league format. The reason why she's doing it now is obvious: she thinks more clubs will be sympathetic to Hearts after JA's NSA contribution to Scottish fitba. Doncaster then has to ask all clubs what they think about this proposal as he's acting on a formal request from a member club. Having said that, and as others have pointed out, the phrase "AND IF NOT HOW MIGHT THEIR OBJECTIONS BE OVERCOME" is jarring. But perhaps asking this was part of the formal request from Budge? I see no reason to suppose that Doncaster is actually in favour of any of this. I also think there's no chance this will go through.

And presumably no obligation for any club to answer the second part? A no with a “because we like twelve” would suffice. If they felt the need to respond to the second bit.

***Eyrie*** · 03-06-2020 07:04 PM

I'm looking forward to Friday.

But then I'm confident that the clubs will reject the complete farce that is a 14 team league.

Remember it's 11-1 for the Premiership, 8-2 for the second tier and 15-5 for leagues one and two for this to be passed.

***Greenworld*** · 03-06-2020 07:05 PM

Originally Posted by tamig

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No.

Its as perm as you get nowadays

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**Glory Lurker** · 03-06-2020 07:06 PM

So clubs that are against reconstruction are to propose a reconstruction scheme?

**Smiggy 7-0** · 03-06-2020 07:09 PM

If feeling is so strong about what's happening, should we not contact the club to express our feelings, or petition them.
Mind you they will probably know how we feel.

**007** · 03-06-2020 07:09 PM

Originally Posted by tamig

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And presumably no obligation for any club to answer the second part? A no with a “because we like twelve” would suffice. If they felt the need to respond to the second bit.

"F*** The Hearts" ought to cover it too.

***WhileTheChief..*** · 03-06-2020 07:13 PM

So much worrying and conspiracies going on here.

Sky have shown we don’t need the mighty big Hearts in the top league and we’ve all moved on to talking about virtual season tickets and social distancing at games.

It’s done, they’re down and they’re not coming back. The world has moved on.

**Waxy** · 03-06-2020 07:14 PM

Benny Anderson should have waited a bit.Waited till the clubs sorted out the reconstruction farce so they could start planning ahead.
Waited till things became a bit clearer about what next season would look like.If he was going to splash the cash there was no harm in waiting a bit longer.
His last gasp timing and Bribery are a complete farce and he's making Scottish football a laughing stock.

**~~Speedway~~** · 03-06-2020 07:21 PM

Originally Posted by Waxy

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Benny Anderson should have waited a bit.Waited till the clubs sorted out the reconstruction farce so they could start planning ahead.
Waited till things became a bit clearer about what next season would look like.If he was going to splash the cash there was no harm in waiting a bit longer.
His last gasp timing and Bribery are a complete farce and he's making Scottish football a laughing stock.

It doesn’t need his help for that.

**Wat Dabney** · 03-06-2020 07:29 PM

Does it say anywhere that a 14 team premiere league must include Hearts? They are officially a Championship side now since they were officially relegated. If the relegation gets voided would that mean that Celtic wouldn't be champions too?????

**munchar** · 03-06-2020 07:34 PM

This is 100% to help Hearts. If Hearts stay down, they have to play full season to start balancing the books. They must start before January. This “no strings donation” should help Championship clubs cover costs to start the season earlier. The longer season will also suit Hearts who “should” have to much quality over a longer season.

**stoneyburn hibs** · 03-06-2020 07:40 PM

Originally Posted by munchar

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This is 100% to help Hearts. If Hearts stay down, they have to play full season to start balancing the books. They must start before January. This “no strings donation” should help Championship clubs cover costs to start the season earlier. The longer season will also suit Hearts who “should” have to much quality over a longer season.

Tbh I'm not fussed if it helps Hearts, as long as they're playing in the championship next season.

**Ozyhibby** · 03-06-2020 07:45 PM

Originally Posted by CapitalGreen

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If it has a time frame associated with it then it’s not permanent.

If it needs a vote to return it to the original then it’s permanent but if it auto reverts without a vote then it’s temporary.

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***Bristolhibby*** · 03-06-2020 07:50 PM

Originally Posted by greenpaper55

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The pot is only 2 million according to this

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52912118

Are clubs that skint that they’d whore themselves out for £47.6k?

J

**CMurdoch** · 03-06-2020 08:01 PM

As before Celtic, Rangers, Hibs, Aberdeen & Dundee Utd won't want a 14 team league because it would mean less money for them and the probability of them being relegated is very small.
St Johnstone, Kilmarnock, Motherwell, Livingston, St Mirren and Hamilton won't want a temporary 14 team league because there is a real probability that they could be the one of the 3 teams to be relegated to the Championship after year 5. They will also fancy their chances of avoiding relegation next season in a league minus Hearts.

Doncaster knows all of the above and is doing a theatrical job at heading of the chances of a successful court case by being seen to do all in his power to find an acceptable solution for Hearts. Once again it will be their fellow member clubs who will kb them on Friday and off to the Championship they will go for season 2020/21.

No chance of this getting an 11-1 vote in Hearts favour.
Doncaster is leading them up the garden path.

**Andy74** · 03-06-2020 08:05 PM

Originally Posted by CMurdoch

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As before Celtic, Rangers, Hibs, Aberdeen & Dundee Utd won't want a 14 team league because it would mean less money for them and the probability of them being relegated is very small.
St Johnstone, Kilmarnock, Motherwell, Livingston, St Mirren and Hamilton won't want a temporary 14 team league because there is a real probability that they could be the one of the 3 teams to be relegated to the Championship after year 5. They will also fancy their chances of avoiding relegation next season in a league minus Hearts.

No chance this is getting an 11-1 vote.

Doncaster is also doing a good job at heading of the chances of any court case brought by Hearts being successful by being seen to do all in his power to offer a solution to save Hearts. Once again it will be their fellow member clubs who will kb them on Friday.

I think the tactic of pushing it out to 5 is to sway the clubs that might have thought they'd have been in the mix if bigger numbers were up for relegation.

***bingo70*** · 03-06-2020 08:07 PM

Originally Posted by Andy74

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I think the tactic of pushing it out to 5 is to sway the clubs that might have thought they'd have been in the mix if bigger numbers were up for relegation.

Would it not just be the same thing in 5 years though Andy?

I don’t understand the significance of the difference.

**Tug Wilson** · 03-06-2020 08:10 PM

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£50k for a yes vote might change a few clubs stance though

Not in the Premiership it won't. And that is where it needs to pass.

**Tug Wilson** · 03-06-2020 08:12 PM

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As before Celtic, Rangers, Hibs, Aberdeen & Dundee Utd won't want a 14 team league because it would mean less money for them and the probability of them being relegated is very small.
St Johnstone, Kilmarnock, Motherwell, Livingston, St Mirren and Hamilton won't want a temporary 14 team league because there is a real probability that they could be the one of the 3 teams to be relegated to the Championship after year 5. They will also fancy their chances of avoiding relegation next season in a league minus Hearts.

No chance this is getting an 11-1 vote.

Doncaster knows all of the above and is doing a theatrical job at heading of the chances of a successful court case by being seen to do all in his power to find an acceptable solution for Hearts. Once again it will be their fellow member clubs who will kb them on Friday and off to the Championship they will go for season 2020/21.

This is what I think too.

Too many piling on Doncaster. He has played a blinder so far.

**Bobby's Cinema** · 03-06-2020 08:13 PM

Does this latest vote still require the same % to say yes in across each of the four leagues? Or is this a premiership only vote? What votes are needed?

***Kojock*** · 03-06-2020 08:17 PM

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Would it not just be the same thing in 5 years though Andy?

I don’t understand the significance of the difference.

In five years time will it automatically revert to 12 or will it go to a vote. What will be the vote ratio to change? 13-1? 12-2? Teams around the relegation area would never vote to return to 12 so we would be stuck with 14 whether it was working or not.

***bingo70*** · 03-06-2020 08:19 PM

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In five years time will it automatically revert to 12 or will it go to a vote. What will be the vote ratio to change? 13-1? 12-2? Teams around the relegation area would never vote to return to 12 so we would be stuck with 14 wether it was working or not.

And what happens if the team that gets relegated has a rich backer that wants to bribe the rest of the clubs if they get to stay up?

Have to go through this every time a club with money gets relegated?

**Glory Lurker** · 03-06-2020 08:29 PM

As far as I can see a rejection will only be final* on Friday if more than 50% of the "no" majority says nothing would make them reconsider. Otherwise we're left with a demonstrable possibility that the vote could be reversed if a different option was put forward. In which case, the suggestions will surely have to be investigated if the authorities are going to be consistent. One way or the other I think reconstruction looks more likely than it did before.

* - although in reality nothing is final until next season's premiership starts without Hearts.

***hibeesjoe*** · 03-06-2020 08:31 PM

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Are clubs that skint that they’d whore themselves out for £47.6k?

J

Exactly. Is Scottish football that tin pot that £50k would make a difference to teams in the premiership. Worrying times if true.

I know it would help pay for covid-19 testing but teams need to look further into the future than this.

So much for this money being no strings attached.

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**~~loanheadhibby~~** · 03-06-2020 08:37 PM

I’m sure a lot of people would like reconstruction. If so, then have a proper debate and include all interested parties. Let’s discuss summer football, bigger league, axing/enhancing the league cup,a British cup etc. Anything less is just pandering to queen ann.

**Andy74** · 03-06-2020 08:39 PM

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Would it not just be the same thing in 5 years though Andy?

I don’t understand the significance of the difference.

Depends on the model I guess but if they went 14 next year then back to 12 you could have 3 teams relegated next year. The likes of St mire and Hamilton are not going to go for that.

If you delay that for 5 years it is less of an immediate issue.

**FilipinoHibs** · 03-06-2020 08:40 PM

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Exactly. Is Scottish football that tin pot that £50k would make a difference to teams in the premiership. Worrying times if true.

I know it would help pay for covid-19 testing but teams need to look further into the future than this.

So much for this money being no strings attached.

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Yes not enough to keep the championship going without paying spectators. Championship clubs need £1 million each to keep running without gate income.

**Radge70** · 03-06-2020 08:45 PM

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I’m sure a lot of people would like reconstruction. If so, then have a proper debate and include all interested parties. Let’s discuss summer football, bigger league, axing/enhancing the league cup,a British cup etc. Anything less is just pandering to queen ann.

If the pandemic had arrived in this country a few months earlier then its guarenteed Queen Anne would have wanted to discuss summer football. It didn't though so we've not heard a peep from her in that regard.