KP - Hibs Voting Intentions

[Hibs4185]

I posted this in the generic hearts thread and I do not claim to represent the majority of hibs fans, but going by the comments on here, on twitter and speaking to friends, it seems that the majority, support the proposals as they stand. Original post below and I’ll try and do a poll (never done one before).

I’ve supported LD on this forum when she was getting a little bit of abuse when Hecky was here. I think she has done a terrific job and we are lucky to have her, but....

If she votes to save hearts in any way, shape or form, she will have lost any confidence I have in her.

Can we get a poll on here so we can make it abundantly clear to LD and KP exactly what the fans think.

I understand the reasoning behind voting no, and the commercial benefits to the club in finishing the league but I am willing to sacrifice these benefits in order to give hearts exactly what they deserve. Especially after all the years of their financial doping and their failure to learn a single lesson.

If LD votes against the fans wishes, it could very well be her undoing.

KP if there is a clear majority of fans wanting LD to vote in favour of the proposals as they stand can you communicate this to the board in no uncertain terms?

[Ozyhibby]

I doubt you’ll get feedback on this from the board. On issues that matter we are never consulted.
Luckily though, it’s season ticket sale time so if there is ever a time the board listen to the fans it’s now.



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[Hibs4185]

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I doubt you’ll get feedback on this from the board. On issues that matter we are never consulted.
Luckily though, it’s season ticket sale time so if there is ever a time the board listen to the fans it’s now.



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Ozy, I’m not expecting feedback from the board, but on such an important topic, this is the very reason fans reps were introduced.

KP couldn’t possibly do a better job as a fan rep, and he is our link to the board so hopefully if the fans make their views known he can make the relevant representation.

[NAE NOOKIE]

Sorry, but I voted for option 'B'

That is NOT out of any regard for Hearts, once more they have overspent on a squad they couldn't afford .. but so far as I can see this time they haven't done it by cheating local businesses or Lithuanian pensioners out of their money .. Stupid overspending is rife in football and doing it hardly makes Hertz unique, in fact if anybody has been cheated its the thousands of their own fans who have pumped in millions and ended up with a pish team, a pish stand and seem no nearer owning their club than they were 4 years ago ... though like everybody else I would love to see who the mystery benefactors are.

IMO there is no chance this season will be played to a finish and we have to start now figuring out how to limit the damage the premature end of this one has caused. In my honest opinion the only way to do that is to play next season with a 14 team league and adjust the other three leagues accordingly, even if that means having two leagues of 14 under the premiership both with a split. The uglies will bitch about sustaining a Euro challenge with too many domestic fixtures if that is how it works out, but this is for the overall good of the game and they will have to suck it up.

Even that way some teams will still suffer like Dundee and Ayr Utd who were placed to challenge for a play off spot .. but there is no way to avoid that ... If Hearts are relegated and replaced with Dundee Utd then Ayr and Dundee are no better off anyway .. the same if the premiership was declared void, which would be so unfair to Dundee Utd its not true, they were 100% certs for promotion.

As I said .... Hibby or not, and notwithstanding the fact that the team who would suffer is Hearts, I can't ignore the fact that they were miles from being certainties to go down with 24 points still to play for and I would have the same opinion no matter who had been bottom of the league .. clubs all over the world have escaped relegation from far worse positions countless times.

That's my honest opinion and if it makes me unpopular on here I'll just have to live with it ... Oh and by the way, I've seen other folk saying on the Hearts thread that they might or will not renew if Hearts aren't relegated ... f'ing really !!!

[Hibs4185]

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Sorry, but I voted for option 'B'

That is NOT out of any regard for Hearts, once more they have overspent on a squad they couldn't afford .. but so far as I can see this time they haven't done it by cheating local businesses or Lithuanian pensioners out of their money .. Stupid overspending is rife in football and doing it hardly makes Hertz unique, in fact if anybody has been cheated its the thousands of their own fans who have pumped in millions and ended up with a pish team, a pish stand and seem no nearer owning their club than they were 4 years ago ... though like everybody else I would love to see who the mystery benefactors are.

IMO there is no chance this season will be played to a finish and we have to start now figuring out how to limit the damage the premature end of this one has caused. In my honest opinion the only way to do that is to play next season with a 14 team league and adjust the other three leagues accordingly, even if that means having two leagues of 14 under the premiership both with a split. The uglies will bitch about sustaining a Euro challenge with too many domestic fixtures if that is how it works out, but this is for the overall good of the game and they will have to suck it up.

Even that way some teams will still suffer like Dundee and Ayr Utd who were placed to challenge for a play off spot .. but there is no way to avoid that ... If Hearts are relegated and replaced with Dundee Utd then Ayr and Dundee are no better off anyway .. the same if the premiership was declared void, which would be so unfair to Dundee Utd its not true, they were 100% certs for promotion.

As I said .... Hibby or not, and notwithstanding the fact that the team who would suffer is Hearts, I can't ignore the fact that they were miles from being certainties to go down with 24 points still to play for and I would have the same opinion no matter who had been bottom of the league .. clubs all over the world have escaped relegation from far worse positions countless times.

That's my honest opinion and if it makes me unpopular on here I'll just have to live with it ... Oh and by the way, I've seen other folk saying on the Hearts thread that they might or will not renew if Hearts aren't relegated ... f'ing really !!!

Completely understand and respect your view. Whether it be Hearts or St Mirren that are bottom, I believe that ending the season as it stands is the far better option but that’s a debate for another thread.

The fact that it’s hearts however and their mismanagement and shoddy treatment of their staff recently, along with their overspending and financial history, only reinforces my view that the season should end as it stands.

[NAE NOOKIE]

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Completely understand and respect your view. Whether it be Hearts or St Mirren that are bottom, I believe that ending the season as it stands is the far better option but that’s a debate for another thread.

The fact that it’s hearts however and their mismanagement and shoddy treatment of their staff recently, along with their overspending and financial history, only reinforces my view that the season should end as it stands.

A reasonable reply mate. From my POV it's not just about Hearts as a club, who without a doubt have been so badly run they can't complain about the position they find themselves in. I'm purely looking at this from two angles:

Firstly I just can't in all honesty see the fairness in relegating a club, even them with their history, in circumstances which are so unbelievably unique and with so much of the season still to play, nor can I see how it would be fair on any club's supporters, even theirs .. said through gritted teeth I assure you.

Secondly, The only way I can see which will satisfy as many clubs fans as possible, never mind the clubs themselves, is for a league set up next season which includes the top two in the championship .... it's no secret that ICT are teetering on the brink and a season in the premiership will probably save them from going under ... folk don't even seem to be thinking about them ... in all honesty beaten to the championship title by a club whose spending is no less excessive than Hearts for the league they are in.

Can anybody in all honesty, hand on heart, say they would have seen any fairness in Hibs being relegated if we had been bottom of the league when play stopped in these circumstances ... I sure as hell couldn't.

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A reasonable reply mate. From my POV it's not just about Hearts as a club, who without a doubt have been so badly run they can't complain about the position they find themselves in. I'm purely looking at this from two angles:

Firstly I just can't in all honesty see the fairness in relegating a club, even them with their history, in circumstances which are so unbelievably unique and with so much of the season still to play, nor can I see how it would be fair on any club's supporters, even theirs .. said through gritted teeth I assure you.

Secondly, The only way I can see which will satisfy as many clubs fans as possible, never mind the clubs themselves, is for a league set up next season which includes the top two in the championship .... it's no secret that ICT are teetering on the brink and a season in the premiership will probably save them from going under ... folk don't even seem to be thinking about them ... in all honesty beaten to the championship title by a club whose spending is no less excessive than Hearts for the league they are in.

Can anybody in all honesty, hand on heart, say they would have seen any fairness in Hibs being relegated if we had been bottom of the league when play stopped in these circumstances ... I sure as hell couldn't.

I applaud you being able to be more objective and less emotional than me about this topic, I do. Moreover, to answer your last question we would all be livid if this were the case (however I am sure we would be able to see who is really to blame for the relegation moreso than the walking deluded over the road).

However, I will give you this angle. Would you still support Hibs voting for reconstruction when you know the detrimental effect this would have on our club as a whole. Think about it. If we vote them to stay up and it actually happens, they would be in a FAR better position than us. They would be bouyant, jubilant and riding the crest of a wave. We on the other hand would be in dissary, season books not renewed, protests to get the board out. The full works.

If you dont think this would happen, then you are sorely mistaken. If you would vote for that, you would be voting for them and against Hibs. Makes literally NO sense.

[BFG]

Hi NN I have some sympathy with your point of view as a season ticket holder ( I’ve already bought next season’s) and along with most of our support would be happy to see them relegated but after reading your post I took my green tinted glasses off and thought would it be a bad thing if league reconstruction was to go ahead with 18 teams playing each other once home and away ?, but then I had a look over on kickback and found this thread, after reading it I now say relegate them it’s what they would do

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We beat St Mirren 2-0 tomorrow night and go above them on goal difference.

On Thurs morning, the SPFL/SFA decide to end the season prematurely due to COVID-19. To ensure that Dundee Utd don’t hit the wall, the decision is taken to cancel the play offs, but relegate one and promote one. As a result, St Mirren are relegated on goal difference on technically the last day of the season. They then spend the rest of their eternity thinking about how this could have been avoided if they hadn’t let Celtic pump them last weekend.

That my friends is ****ing karma!!!

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A reasonable reply mate. From my POV it's not just about Hearts as a club, who without a doubt have been so badly run they can't complain about the position they find themselves in. I'm purely looking at this from two angles:

Firstly I just can't in all honesty see the fairness in relegating a club, even them with their history, in circumstances which are so unbelievably unique and with so much of the season still to play, nor can I see how it would be fair on any club's supporters, even theirs .. said through gritted teeth I assure you.

Secondly, The only way I can see which will satisfy as many clubs fans as possible, never mind the clubs themselves, is for a league set up next season which includes the top two in the championship .... it's no secret that ICT are teetering on the brink and a season in the premiership will probably save them from going under ... folk don't even seem to be thinking about them ... in all honesty beaten to the championship title by a club whose spending is no less excessive than Hearts for the league they are in.

Can anybody in all honesty, hand on heart, say they would have seen any fairness in Hibs being relegated if we had been bottom of the league when play stopped in these circumstances ... I sure as hell couldn't.

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A reasonable reply mate. From my POV it's not just about Hearts as a club, who without a doubt have been so badly run they can't complain about the position they find themselves in. I'm purely looking at this from two angles:

Firstly I just can't in all honesty see the fairness in relegating a club, even them with their history, in circumstances which are so unbelievably unique and with so much of the season still to play, nor can I see how it would be fair on any club's supporters, even theirs .. said through gritted teeth I assure you.

Secondly, The only way I can see which will satisfy as many clubs fans as possible, never mind the clubs themselves, is for a league set up next season which includes the top two in the championship .... it's no secret that ICT are teetering on the brink and a season in the premiership will probably save them from going under ... folk don't even seem to be thinking about them ... in all honesty beaten to the championship title by a club whose spending is no less excessive than Hearts for the league they are in.

Can anybody in all honesty, hand on heart, say they would have seen any fairness in Hibs being relegated if we had been bottom of the league when play stopped in these circumstances ... I sure as hell couldn't.

The justification is in your post - UNIQUE, unprecedented there really is no other way of calling an end to this season, so they go down.

Your idea of running into next year, eh and risk the TV deal why would ANY of the SPL clubs support that?

[The 90+2]

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Sorry, but I voted for option 'B'

That is NOT out of any regard for Hearts, once more they have overspent on a squad they couldn't afford .. but so far as I can see this time they haven't done it by cheating local businesses or Lithuanian pensioners out of their money .. Stupid overspending is rife in football and doing it hardly makes Hertz unique, in fact if anybody has been cheated its the thousands of their own fans who have pumped in millions and ended up with a pish team, a pish stand and seem no nearer owning their club than they were 4 years ago ... though like everybody else I would love to see who the mystery benefactors are.

IMO there is no chance this season will be played to a finish and we have to start now figuring out how to limit the damage the premature end of this one has caused. In my honest opinion the only way to do that is to play next season with a 14 team league and adjust the other three leagues accordingly, even if that means having two leagues of 14 under the premiership both with a split. The uglies will bitch about sustaining a Euro challenge with too many domestic fixtures if that is how it works out, but this is for the overall good of the game and they will have to suck it up.

Even that way some teams will still suffer like Dundee and Ayr Utd who were placed to challenge for a play off spot .. but there is no way to avoid that ... If Hearts are relegated and replaced with Dundee Utd then Ayr and Dundee are no better off anyway .. the same if the premiership was declared void, which would be so unfair to Dundee Utd its not true, they were 100% certs for promotion.

As I said .... Hibby or not, and notwithstanding the fact that the team who would suffer is Hearts, I can't ignore the fact that they were miles from being certainties to go down with 24 points still to play for and I would have the same opinion no matter who had been bottom of the league .. clubs all over the world have escaped relegation from far worse positions countless times.

That's my honest opinion and if it makes me unpopular on here I'll just have to live with it ... Oh and by the way, I've seen other folk saying on the Hearts thread that they might or will not renew if Hearts aren't relegated ... f'ing really !!!

So we go to a 14 team season next year and have a shocker of a start and end up in the bottom half, miss the money we get from old firm coming to town or even worse end up in the bottom three and go down or have a playoff - all to make sure hearts don’t get relegated? **** that for a laugh.

[NAE NOOKIE]

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So we go to a 14 team season next year and have a shocker of a start and end up in the bottom half, miss the money we get from old firm coming to town or even worse end up in the bottom three and go down or have a playoff - all to make sure hearts don’t get relegated? **** that for a laugh.

No offence mate, but that scenario is just as likely if we are in a 12 team league with Dundee Utd ... and it's not just about Hearts, its about fairness as I see it.

[Ozyhibby]

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No offence mate, but that scenario is just as likely if we are in a 12 team league with Dundee Utd ... and it's not just about Hearts, its about fairness as I see it.

Fairness?


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Should Steven Naismith spend the rest of his life in prison for being a knobhead?

Yes 99.7%

No 0.3%

[Ozyhibby]

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Sorry, but I voted for option 'B'

That is NOT out of any regard for Hearts, once more they have overspent on a squad they couldn't afford .. but so far as I can see this time they haven't done it by cheating local businesses or Lithuanian pensioners out of their money .. Stupid overspending is rife in football and doing it hardly makes Hertz unique, in fact if anybody has been cheated its the thousands of their own fans who have pumped in millions and ended up with a pish team, a pish stand and seem no nearer owning their club than they were 4 years ago ... though like everybody else I would love to see who the mystery benefactors are.

IMO there is no chance this season will be played to a finish and we have to start now figuring out how to limit the damage the premature end of this one has caused. In my honest opinion the only way to do that is to play next season with a 14 team league and adjust the other three leagues accordingly, even if that means having two leagues of 14 under the premiership both with a split. The uglies will bitch about sustaining a Euro challenge with too many domestic fixtures if that is how it works out, but this is for the overall good of the game and they will have to suck it up.

Even that way some teams will still suffer like Dundee and Ayr Utd who were placed to challenge for a play off spot .. but there is no way to avoid that ... If Hearts are relegated and replaced with Dundee Utd then Ayr and Dundee are no better off anyway .. the same if the premiership was declared void, which would be so unfair to Dundee Utd its not true, they were 100% certs for promotion.

As I said .... Hibby or not, and notwithstanding the fact that the team who would suffer is Hearts, I can't ignore the fact that they were miles from being certainties to go down with 24 points still to play for and I would have the same opinion no matter who had been bottom of the league .. clubs all over the world have escaped relegation from far worse positions countless times.

That's my honest opinion and if it makes me unpopular on here I'll just have to live with it ... Oh and by the way, I've seen other folk saying on the Hearts thread that they might or will not renew if Hearts aren't relegated ... f'ing really !!!

I can see why folk might think that there is no point buying a season ticket for a team that always works to help their rival. I can definitely see people not really being totally on board with that. Especially in the biggest recession in history. I would think that those circumstances would not be a good time to upset your paying customers but what do I know?
6 years on from the disgrace of getting ourselves relegated at the exact time they were supposed to be getting their comeuppance for years of cheating, we are about to give them another get out of jail card?
I really don’t think we will do it but with Hibs you never know and with Dempster giving Rangers a free pass last time then I’m more than a little concerned at her weak statement last night.


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[NAE NOOKIE]

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I can see why folk might think that there is no point buying a season ticket for a team that always works to help their rival. I can definitely see people not really being totally on board with that. Especially in the biggest recession in history. I would think that those circumstances would not be a good time to upset your paying customers but what do I know?
6 years on from the disgrace of getting ourselves relegated at the exact time they were supposed to be getting their comeuppance for years of cheating, we are about to give them another get out of jail card?
I really don’t think we will do it but with Hibs you never know and with Dempster giving Rangers a free pass last time then I’m more than a little concerned at her weak statement last night.


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In my opinion this situation is miles removed from the Sevco carry on. I buy a season ticket to support my club and watch it play football matches ... I see no sporting problem in these circumstances in trying to ease the pain for as many clubs as possible, if Hearts are the main beneficiaries then so be it .... where's the outcry against ICT, Dundee or Ayr Utd being denied a shot at the 2nd bottom premiership club if we are all going so Mother Teresa over sporting integrity? ... I must have missed that.

I have the same healthy dislike of Hearts as any Hibby .... but there is no way in hell that I would even consider penalising my club, especially in these times, just coz they didn't take a chance to stick the boot in ... I prefer my derby victories on the park thanks all the same.

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I really don’t think we will do it but with Hibs you never know and with Dempster giving Rangers a free pass last time then I’m more than a little concerned at her weak statement last night.

Was there a statement? I’ve only seen the EEN article?

[The 90+2]

Vote yes. Cannae vote on the iPhone. There’s no reason for Dempster to vote otherwise, they ****s would vote us down.

[Joe6-2]

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Vote yes. Cannae vote on the iPhone. There’s no reason for Dempster to vote otherwise, they ****s would vote us down.

I can’t vote either.
I really hope the board learn how the fans feel about this!
Why the hell are we even thinking about reconstruction to save them??????
No other club would get this favouritism except the huns

[Capt Mainwaring]

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I posted this in the generic hearts thread and I do not claim to represent the majority of hibs fans, but going by the comments on here, on twitter and speaking to friends, it seems that the majority, support the proposals as they stand. Original post below and I’ll try and do a poll (never done one before).

I’ve supported LD on this forum when she was getting a little bit of abuse when Hecky was here. I think she has done a terrific job and we are lucky to have her, but....

If she votes to save hearts in any way, shape or form, she will have lost any confidence I have in her.

Can we get a poll on here so we can make it abundantly clear to LD and KP exactly what the fans think.

I understand the reasoning behind voting no, and the commercial benefits to the club in finishing the league but I am willing to sacrifice these benefits in order to give hearts exactly what they deserve. Especially after all the years of their financial doping and their failure to learn a single lesson.

If LD votes against the fans wishes, it could very well be her undoing.

KP if there is a clear majority of fans wanting LD to vote in favour of the proposals as they stand can you communicate this to the board in no uncertain terms?

You would do well to outline the financial impact for Hibs if the proposal is voted through, and Hibs finish 7th ( eg lower Prize Money of £125k) and (with Hearts relegated the differential loss of income from up to 2 x derby games v 2 x Dundee Utd) next season

There will be other impacts for sure and adverse consequences for Hibs.

So to help people consider their voting intentions allow them to see the potential downside for us

Every club will likely act in their own interests. The stance Hearts are taking is not unreasonable, and frankly if Hibs were in the same position we’d all want the Hibs Board to do the same.

[Hibs4185]

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You would do well to outline the financial impact for Hibs if the proposal is voted through, and Hibs finish 7th ( eg lower Prize Money of £125k) and (with Hearts relegated the differential loss of income from up to 2 x derby games v 2 x Dundee Utd) next season

There will be other impacts for sure

So to help people consider their voting intentions allow them to see the potential downside for us

Every club will likely act in their own interests. The stance Hearts are taking is not unreasonable, and frankly if Hibs were in the same position we’d all want the Hibs Board to do the same.

No doubt, if hearts had beaten St Mirren a few weeks ago, they’d be screaming from the rooftops to end the season as it stands.

As I said, I understand the cost implications of finishing the season and losing the income from 2 derbies but we also have the positive of starting the new season quicker and benefitting from the new and improved TV deal with sky.

Clean end to the season, clean start to the next when we can. Lose money from derby and league place. Gain money from new TV deal and give hearts what they deserve.

No brainer for me.

[The 90+2]

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No doubt, if hearts had beaten St Mirren a few weeks ago, they’d be screaming from the rooftops to end the season as it stands.

As I said, I understand the cost implications of finishing the season and losing the income from 2 derbies but we also have the positive of starting the new season quicker and benefitting from the new and improved TV deal with sky.

Clean end to the season, clean start to the next when we can. Lose money from derby and league place. Gain money from new TV deal and give hearts what they deserve.

No brainer for me.

Do you know the bit that concerns me?

If hearts beat St Mirren a few weeks back, would Dempster still be looking towards not voting this through?

[Hibs4185]

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Do you know the bit that concerns me?

If hearts beat St Mirren a few weeks back, would Dempster still be looking towards not voting this through?

LD does seem to like having a good working relationship with Budge which is admirable, but Budge takes great delight in taking sly digs at every opportunity. I can’t be bothered listing them all but we all know the examples.

The big question for me is whether if the scenario was reversed and we were bottom, would Budge save us?

Not a hope in hell.

[The 90+2]

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LD does seem to like having a good working relationship with Budge which is admirable, but Budge takes great delight in taking sly digs at every opportunity. I can’t be bothered listing them all but we all know the examples.

The big question for me is whether if the scenario was reversed and we were bottom, would Budge save us?

Not a hope in hell.

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[Bostonhibby]

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LD does seem to like having a good working relationship with Budge which is admirable, but Budge takes great delight in taking sly digs at every opportunity. I can’t be bothered listing them all but we all know the examples.

The big question for me is whether if the scenario was reversed and we were bottom, would Budge save us?

Not a hope in hell.

I don't imagine fostering a good working or personal relationship with Budge is very high up the list of objectives she has agreed for Hibernian football club, but wrongly prioritising it could certainly impact areas that are important to the club.

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LD does seem to like having a good working relationship with Budge which is admirable, but Budge takes great delight in taking sly digs at every opportunity. I can’t be bothered listing them all but we all know the examples.

The big question for me is whether if the scenario was reversed and we were bottom, would Budge save us?

Not a hope in hell.

It is only good as it suits her for now, IF she were put in our position Hibs would be down end of.

[King Cosell]

If Dundee Utd, Liverpool, Newcastle, Sheff Wed, Bristol City etc voted to send their local rivals down when they were just 4 pts adrift with 8 games left, I'd think they were an absolute disgrace.

Think about it.

[hibeerealist]

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If Dundee Utd, Liverpool, Newcastle, Sheff Wed, Bristol City etc voted to send their local rivals down when they were just 4 pts adrift with 8 games left, I'd think they were an absolute disgrace.

Think about it.

You think about it, its not about voting them to get relegated they have done that themselves!!

Are you prepared to risk NEXT season and the new TV deal, if so you are a disgrace?

[The 90+2]

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You would do well to outline the financial impact for Hibs if the proposal is voted through, and Hibs finish 7th ( eg lower Prize Money of £125k) and (with Hearts relegated the differential loss of income from up to 2 x derby games v 2 x Dundee Utd) next season

There will be other impacts for sure and adverse consequences for Hibs.

So to help people consider their voting intentions allow them to see the potential downside for us

Every club will likely act in their own interests. The stance Hearts are taking is not unreasonable, and frankly if Hibs were in the same position we’d all want the Hibs Board to do the same.

We could actually finish much lower than 7th and have support against the club for voting to keep they ****s up.

I couldn’t care less what the hearts board do. The league should end as it’s been proposed. We vote otherwise expect a lot of drop off in season ticket sales and fans not going back. Why the **** would we want to accommodate the huns and hearts?

[1875STEVE]

Id be ok with league reconstruction, as long as it's not just to 14, and as i read somewhere else, only for a season to even things out.

It has to be a 16, 18 or even 20 top flight.

id prefer 18.

3 up and 3 down.

Im not sure about keeping the split either, ive never been the biggest fan.

If it saves Hearts, then so be it.

[hibeerealist]

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Id be ok with league reconstruction, as long as it's not just to 14, and as i read somewhere else, only for a season to even things out.

It has to be a 16, 18 or even 20 top flight.

id prefer 18.

3 up and 3 down.

Im not sure about keeping the split either, ive never been the biggest fan.

If it saves Hearts, then so be it.

18 teams, and NOT for one season only, then I would support that anything else is no good. However, the TV companies will not agree to it sadly.