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    So the second week lock down is half way gone, do any of you guys that are working from home feel itís something you could do full time?

    I was thinking yesterday that the world could change for the better in the aftermath of Coronavirus. We could see more flexible working, mostly from home for those that can, less commuting and less space in cities being used for offices. More time for those working from home to City centres becoming more about homes in the vacant space left by offices.

    Transforming the way we shop - doing things almost exclusively online, especially groceries. Jobs created in delivery and distribution. More people using smaller outlets like butchers doing meat packs/ greengrocers who do veg boxes etc delivered to your door. It could be a Renaissance for these kinds of businesses.

    It could change the way we look at groceries themselves, looking more seasonally and closer to home. I hope this wonít happen but if our transport companies start to take a beating we could see the need to look closer to home for our produce really ramped up.

    Itís an awful thing obviously, and if anyone finds this offensive or hurtful Iíll delete it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jones28 View Post
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    So the second week lock down is half way gone, do any of you guys that are working from home feel itís something you could do full time?

    I was thinking yesterday that the world could change for the better in the aftermath of Coronavirus. We could see more flexible working, mostly from home for those that can, less commuting and less space in cities being used for offices. More time for those working from home to City centres becoming more about homes in the vacant space left by offices.

    Transforming the way we shop - doing things almost exclusively online, especially groceries. Jobs created in delivery and distribution. More people using smaller outlets like butchers doing meat packs/ greengrocers who do veg boxes etc delivered to your door. It could be a Renaissance for these kinds of businesses.

    It could change the way we look at groceries themselves, looking more seasonally and closer to home. I hope this wonít happen but if our transport companies start to take a beating we could see the need to look closer to home for our produce really ramped up.

    Itís an awful thing obviously, and if anyone finds this offensive or hurtful Iíll delete it.
    I think things will go back to pretty much how they were but with less trade with China.


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    I hope we can go back to using the word "increase" instead of "ramp up"

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    An end neo-liberal economics. More locally grown food. An end to people flying round the world for two day meetings.

    The Ďno magic money treeí excuse is now put to bed. Especially relevant re the eradication of world poverty and tackling man-made global warming.

    Lots of vested interests against this of course.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jones28 View Post
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    So the second week lock down is half way gone, do any of you guys that are working from home feel itís something you could do full time?

    I was thinking yesterday that the world could change for the better in the aftermath of Coronavirus. We could see more flexible working, mostly from home for those that can, less commuting and less space in cities being used for offices. More time for those working from home to City centres becoming more about homes in the vacant space left by offices.

    Transforming the way we shop - doing things almost exclusively online, especially groceries. Jobs created in delivery and distribution. More people using smaller outlets like butchers doing meat packs/ greengrocers who do veg boxes etc delivered to your door. It could be a Renaissance for these kinds of businesses.

    It could change the way we look at groceries themselves, looking more seasonally and closer to home. I hope this wonít happen but if our transport companies start to take a beating we could see the need to look closer to home for our produce really ramped up.

    Itís an awful thing obviously, and if anyone finds this offensive or hurtful Iíll delete it.
    I don't think it is offensive or hurtful and it is a conversation worth having.

    Whilst there will inevitably be changes (I think we may end up paying an economic price for at least a decade) such as the ones you mention, I think it is very important to remember that as humans we are social animals. This isolation is not good for any of us and so whilst on some levels having many people working from home could be advantageous, it could also bring problems.

    I've found myself back in touch with a few people from my distant past - I finally acknowledged the fact that I missed them. I've picked up the phone and I've made a mental note to make an effort to set up days out/ nights out/ weekends away with old mates - old mates who have just been the same as me, being busy, having families etc.

    This self-isolation business has forced me to acknowledge that I have self-isolated to such an extent in recent years that this doesn't even take all that much effort. I need to get out more.

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    There are pros and cons to every scenario. Increasing working from home and online shopping and the pros that come with that has to be balanced with the increase in social isolation in an age in which we already interact face to face less than we ever have already.

    We are essentially forced into acting how we are at the moment so there's a real community effort. If this becomes the norm there is a risk the elderly in particular become an invisible generation. I can't speak for others but for me I'm still at a stage where this feels like a bit of an extended holiday. I'm furloughed which means I can't work so marathon Fifa sessions and box set binges are a bit of a novelty. Would I like to spend the 9/10 hours I am usually at work at home with no face to face interaction permanently? No way.

    I think as time goes on people will invetably start craving social contact again. As and when restrictions are lifted you will see a huge desire to get 'back to normal'. That will range from wanting to get back to work to a few weeks of bumper trade for pubs, church attendances increasing, people going for a wander round shops and a million other things. You can almost see it already, you tell people they can't go out and suddenly loads of people have developed a passion for walking. Is it really about the excercise or is it the chance to get a breath of fresh air and see people from outside your own 4 walls?

    I think it's been touched on already but this enforced isolation has compelled me to confront the fact I make nowhere near enough effort with some of my friendships. I have already made plans to see 3 or 4 people when this is over. I think there's a complacency when you can do things as and when you want that leads to never actually doing them. Having the option removed has led to me having a major reevaluation of my attitude towards friends and socialising.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozyhibby View Post
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    I think things will go back to pretty much how they were but with less trade with China.


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    Quote Originally Posted by lapsedhibee View Post
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    I hope we can go back to using the word "increase" instead of "ramp up"
    If I never hear the word ďunprecedentedĒ again Iíll be quite happy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smartie View Post
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    I don't think it is offensive or hurtful and it is a conversation worth having.

    Whilst there will inevitably be changes (I think we may end up paying an economic price for at least a decade) such as the ones you mention, I think it is very important to remember that as humans we are social animals. This isolation is not good for any of us and so whilst on some levels having many people working from home could be advantageous, it could also bring problems.

    I've found myself back in touch with a few people from my distant past - I finally acknowledged the fact that I missed them. I've picked up the phone and I've made a mental note to make an effort to set up days out/ nights out/ weekends away with old mates - old mates who have just been the same as me, being busy, having families etc.

    This self-isolation business has forced me to acknowledge that I have self-isolated to such an extent in recent years that this doesn't even take all that much effort. I need to get out more.
    Totally agree Smartie, but this is, in a perverse way, a good thing no? We spend our working day on computers either in the office or at home, and while the office water cooler conversations will disappear we might forge stronger bonds with people in our lives that we either havenít been in touch with for a while or people we have drifted from.

    It could mean that come the weekend people go out, see friends, support smaller businesses when they go for a coffee or a pint, maybe go to football more or other things like that?

    As I said in my first post, Iím doing this with key worker status and someone thatís going to the office every day, so Iím out of the loop and welcome the input of people who are working from home.

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    I'm in my 3rd week of working from home and it's wearing thin to be honest, might be different if I had managed to get out and about, I was on a project before all this where I was going to work from home 3 days and 2 in the office, I specifically said I'd like to do day about and not consecutive as I still want to feel a part of it all and not go days without seeing my workmates

    We are all still chatting on email/messenger and video call but it's just not the same as having a chat at the printer or just going over to see how someone is, I live alone and although I've had a few chats with my neighbours and parents from a distance it's starting to take its toll

    I'm having to keep myself fairly regimented as I felt it slipping, would just get up and start working in my shorts and tshirt as there was no need to get dressed, now I'm forcing myself to actually get up and dressed and make an effort

    I have sound mental health and actually don't mind my own company but not to this extent!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jones28 View Post
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    So the second week lock down is half way gone, do any of you guys that are working from home feel itís something you could do full time?

    I was thinking yesterday that the world could change for the better in the aftermath of Coronavirus. We could see more flexible working, mostly from home for those that can, less commuting and less space in cities being used for offices. More time for those working from home to City centres becoming more about homes in the vacant space left by offices.

    Transforming the way we shop - doing things almost exclusively online, especially groceries. Jobs created in delivery and distribution. More people using smaller outlets like butchers doing meat packs/ greengrocers who do veg boxes etc delivered to your door. It could be a Renaissance for these kinds of businesses.

    It could change the way we look at groceries themselves, looking more seasonally and closer to home. I hope this wonít happen but if our transport companies start to take a beating we could see the need to look closer to home for our produce really ramped up.

    Itís an awful thing obviously, and if anyone finds this offensive or hurtful Iíll delete it.
    In my last job I worked from home full time for 2 years (nearest physical office was London and I only went there 2 or 3 times in that period). I'd have to say I wouldn't recommend it permanently, the lack of human contact really started to get to me (even though I was with my family every evening). It was the main factor in me deciding to change jobs, even though before the lockdown came in I was only going to the office once or twice a week anyway. I certainly wouldn't fancy working in an office full time, but having a bit of contact with other people from work is important I think. I do think we'll see a big increase overall in home working but I think most people will do it 2 or 3 days a week rather than permanently.

    This should hopefully have a positive impact on traffic and therefore climate too, although it won't be great for commercial property companies or builders I suspect. On the flip side of that though, if commercial building has a downturn, perhaps there'll be more attention paid to the housing shortage which would be great. And would drive down house prices which could mean that our children can get on the housing ladder.

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    A universal basic income would be a great start.

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    It will go straight back to the Tory vision. Underfunded NHS until its a fully insurance based service. The eating away of hard fought workers rights and the continuing gullibility of the British public.

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    http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/british...mpact_01.shtml

    Quite a good read here on the Black Death affected the social structure, wages and even fashion. Also comments on The Canterbury Tales being a commentary on those changes.

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    It will go straight back to the Tory vision. Underfunded NHS until its a fully insurance based service. The eating away of hard fought workers rights and the continuing gullibility of the British public.
    I think this is true. As per the 2008 banking crisis, it will be used as an excuse to roll back the state.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bangkok Hibby View Post
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    It will go straight back to the Tory vision. Underfunded NHS until its a fully insurance based service. The eating away of hard fought workers rights and the continuing gullibility of the British public.
    Yepp, another excuse to wade in with austerity and privatisation.

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