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    I wouldn't go as far as "dodged a bullet" but I was very comfortable at the time with us not overspending on wages in order to sign Dylan, and that hasn't changed. I wouldn't change the business of Docherty coming in to have DM either.

    The "wrong style" argument can't go on forever for a player who is as good as most on here tell us, and those questioning (even criticising) JR's management credentials because we didn't sign him look even sillier now.

    Hopefully for his sake he can remain fit and get back to playing at a good level (not against us) but we haven't missed out.


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    Personally I think this topic has already been discussed in countless threads already. I've nothing further to add other than its well and truly time to move on.
    . Correct, we need to focus all of our energies on getting Riordan back.......

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    . Correct, we need to focus all of our energies on getting Riordan back.......
    Looks fit again in his pub. Could still do a job.

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    He’s become a victim of his own success. Now Sheep fans have unreasonable expectations. Also, their style of football probably doesn’t help him when results take a turn for the worse.
    I think it's all about style of football, finishing third = zero glory . Tipping up every Saturday to watch foul after foul, zero entertainment.

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    I think Dylan is a bit of a specialist and will struggle to fit into most teams. He even struggled a bit at Hibs to find his position with Stubbs playing him wide right most of the time. It was only when Scott Allan arrived and Lennon settled on a 3-5-2 when we began to see Dylan perform consistently brilliant. There are not many players capable of playing the holding role as well as Dylan. He is great at receiving the ball in tight spaces and getting the team on the front foot. The only thing is that British football often sees this as the position for tough tackling hard men.

    At Aberdeen I suspect the fact that Ojo is playing alongside him will mean that Dylan doesn't have the space and movement in front of him to thrive.

    For me a midfield three of McGeouch, Docherty and Omeonga/Allan would be fantastic at Hibs. McGeouch is pure class when played in the right position in the right team.

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    I think Dylan is a bit of a specialist and will struggle to fit into most teams. He even struggled a bit at Hibs to find his position with Stubbs playing him wide right most of the time. It was only when Scott Allan arrived and Lennon settled on a 3-5-2 when we began to see Dylan perform consistently brilliant. There are not many players capable of playing the holding role as well as Dylan. He is great at receiving the ball in tight spaces and getting the team on the front foot. The only thing is that British football often sees this as the position for tough tackling hard men.

    At Aberdeen I suspect the fact that Ojo is playing alongside him will mean that Dylan doesn't have the space and movement in front of him to thrive.

    For me a midfield three of McGeouch, Docherty and Omeonga/Allan would be fantastic at Hibs. McGeouch is pure class when played in the right position in the right team.

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    What?

    Dylan never once played wide right for Hibs.

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    What?

    Dylan never once played wide right for Hibs.
    He played on the right in the cup final. Fyvie was Stubbs' preference for the holding role with McGinn on the left and McGeouch on the right of the diamond.

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    I think it's been good for McGeouch's reputation amongst Hibs fans that he didn't come back.

    He was a very good player for us and I was disappointed when he left. However even if he had returned fully fit and on form he would struggle to live up to some of the expectations being voiced.

    Let's just remember how good he was and be grateful for that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES View Post
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    What?

    Dylan never once played wide right for Hibs.

    He played wide right when we got beat by Ross Co in the League cup final, he was wasted and lost out there.

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    He played wide right when we got beat by Ross Co in the League cup final, he was wasted and lost out there.
    Pretty sure he never played in that game. May have played right of a midfield diamond in other games but don’t ever remember playing wide right for Hibs.

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    He played wide right when we got beat by Ross Co in the League cup final, he was wasted and lost out there.
    Hibs midfield that day was Bartley, Thomson, Henderson and McGinn.

    Had Hanlon and McGeouch been fit we would have won a cup double. I'm certain of that.
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    Hibs midfield that day was Bartley, Thomson, Henderson and McGinn.

    Had Hanlon and McGeouch been fit we would have won a cup double. I'm certain of that.
    We still should have done. An absolute sickener of a finale that had me thinking that we always continue to bottle major finals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by angus hibby View Post
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    Pretty sure he never played in that game. May have played right of a midfield diamond in other games but don’t ever remember playing wide right for Hibs.
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    Hibs midfield that day was Bartley, Thomson, Henderson and McGinn.

    Had Hanlon and McGeouch been fit we would have won a cup double. I'm certain of that.

    You're right my memory deceived me, it was the 0-1 loss to Falkirk the season before in the Scottish cup semi, I remember thinking he was so lost out on the right, Falkirk started to be a bogie team for us. Stubbs played a back 3 with Dylan and Lewis as wingbacks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeithMike View Post
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    He played on the right in the cup final. Fyvie was Stubbs' preference for the holding role with McGinn on the left and McGeouch on the right of the diamond.

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    It was a relatively fluid midfield but I'd say McGeouch was the holder in that game, with McGinn left and Fyvie right

    In any case, he certainly wasn't playing "wide right"

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    You're right my memory deceived me, it was the 0-1 loss to Falkirk the season before in the Scottish cup semi, I remember thinking he was so lost out on the right, Falkirk started to be a bogie team for us. Stubbs played a back 3 with Dylan and Lewis as wingbacks.
    I thought you were right about R County at first too.. right enough it was the Falkirk game. I remember thinking at the time it was a pretty poor effort from Dylan at stopping the ball coming in for a goal. Definitely wasn’t his best game for us that’s for sure.

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    He played on the right in the cup final. Fyvie was Stubbs' preference for the holding role with McGinn on the left and McGeouch on the right of the diamond.

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    Right of a midfield diamond is very, very different from wide right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pretty Boy View Post
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    Hibs midfield that day was Bartley, Thomson, Henderson and McGinn.

    Had Hanlon and McGeouch been fit we would have won a cup double. I'm certain of that.
    And Fraser Fyvie who got crocked at Greenock by an idiot late on in a midweek game

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    He continues to make bad decisions. The Sunderland move certainly made sense financially but a player like Dylan was never going to prosper in League One even without his dubious injury record.

    Hibs have moved on. He will not be back.
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    Mc Geuoch.
    Do you think we dodged a bullet with not bringing him back.
    Not in the slightest - he's still a good player, even if he's not got into his stride at Sunderland or at Aberdeen (yet). Failing to land him was in no way a disaster for Hibs though - because there are other good players out there. Newall for example will quite probably eclipse McGeogh in the pantheon of Hibee mythology if he continues on his recent run of form.

    I think this episode demonstrates very well however, how football fans tend to build up players into messiah like figures when they do well for them such that the legend outgrows reality.

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    Right of a midfield diamond is very, very different from wide right.
    Not really. Right midfield/wide right are pretty much the same in my view. I didn't suggest he was a right winger, but as other posters have pointed out, Stubbs did deploy him as a right wing back on occasion.


    Regardless, he wasnt nearly as effective on the right as he was at the base. I still remember Raith Rovers away in the 2016 cup run with Hibs toiling until Stubbs switched Fyvie and McGeouch. McGeouch at the base immediately gave Hibs impetus and control of the game and it goes to show that McGeouch was far more effective as the holding player than anywhere else in the midfield. I was shocked that Stubbs never seemed to learn from this but it just goes to show how many a manager haven't got the best out of Dylan.






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    Not really. Right midfield/wide right are pretty much the same in my view. I didn't suggest he was a right winger, but as other posters have pointed out, Stubbs did deploy him as a right wing back on occasion.


    Regardless, he wasnt nearly as effective on the right as he was at the base. I still remember Raith Rovers away in the 2016 cup run with Hibs toiling until Stubbs switched Fyvie and McGeouch. McGeouch at the base immediately gave Hibs impetus and control of the game and it goes to show that McGeouch was far more effective as the holding player than anywhere else in the midfield. I was shocked that Stubbs never seemed to learn from this but it just goes to show how many a manager haven't got the best out of Dylan.






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    Dylan definitely didn't once play wide right for Hibs. I don't even think the right wing back this is true, didn't Gray play in that semi?

    Right of a diamond is still a central midfielder, just on the right side.

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    Dylan definitely didn't once play wide right for Hibs. I don't even think the right wing back this is true, didn't Gray play in that semi?

    Right of a diamond is still a central midfielder, just on the right side.
    He 100 percent played right wing back in the falkirk semi and he was awful. Gray was injured.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES View Post
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    Right of a diamond is still a central midfielder, just on the right side.
    Disagree with that as the person on the right hand side of a diamond is usually expected to provide width in the forward areas. Regardless of whether the right hand side of a diamond is central or right midfield (I dont believe it's an exact science), it's certainly not Dylan's best position - which was the point being made.

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    Is this not a re run of at least 2 previous threads, boring.
    Yes tgink admins should merge the threads. Been done to death now. Move on. Dylan has

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeithMike View Post
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    Disagree with that as the person on the right hand side of a diamond is usually expected to provide width in the forward areas. Regardless of whether the right hand side of a diamond is central or right midfield (I dont believe it's an exact science), it's certainly not Dylan's best position - which was the point being made.

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    Agree with this. He also played left of a diamond in the Aberdeen semi but was our sole width on the left, and unsurprisingly, was like playing with 10 men until Lennon changed it. I could never understand Stubbs & Lennon trying time shoehorn McGeough into positions he clearly wasn’t suited to before he became our fulcrum just in front of the defence.

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    Disagree with that as the person on the right hand side of a diamond is usually expected to provide width in the forward areas. Regardless of whether the right hand side of a diamond is central or right midfield (I dont believe it's an exact science), it's certainly not Dylan's best position - which was the point being made.

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    Disagree. If you set up with a midfield diamond, it’s to create overloads in the central area of the pitch. Width should come from the full backs if you play that formation.

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    Disagree with that as the person on the right hand side of a diamond is usually expected to provide width in the forward areas. Regardless of whether the right hand side of a diamond is central or right midfield (I dont believe it's an exact science), it's certainly not Dylan's best position - which was the point being made.

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    Dylan played many games on the right of a diamond and was really good.

    Gattuso and Ambrosini played years on the right and left of a diamond for Milan, they certainly didn't provide width. They were central midfielders. That is generally how the system is played and it is how Hibs played it.

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