Sectarianism

[Ozyhibby]

http://www.thefa.com/news/2020/feb/2...d-fined-210220

I see Barnsley have been fined for anti catholic sectarianism by the FA in England. Shame it’s allowed up here.


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[Keith_M]

Is it definitely for sectarianism?



I couldn't see in the article what it was they actually sung/chanted.

[DaveF]

I'd imagine it will be for abuse directed at James MacLean seeing as it was against Stoke.

[Ozyhibby]

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Is it definitely for sectarianism?



I couldn't see in the article what it was they actually sung/chanted.

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[DaveF]

Good on the FA. Meanwhile the Spl/SFA loof the other way.

[Vini1875]

Good for James McClean. Our players should be doing the same thing, instead of just brushing it off.

[Keith_M]

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Thanks Ozy. I still can't see it in the article but it's probably my Browser :)




Wouldn't it be great if the Scottish authorities took the same kind of action.




EDIT: I just noticed there's an attachment on the page

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

Barnsley should have hired James Traynor for a heritgage statement to get them off. They could have recouped the cost with Barnsley and Rangers half scarfes.

[Keith_M]

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Barnsley should have hired James Traynor for a heritgage statement to get them off. They could have recouped the cost with Barnsley and Rangers half scarves.

Don't give them ideas!

[MWHIBBIES]

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Good for James McClean. Our players should be doing the same thing, instead of just brushing it off.

Thing is players down here mainly support Rangers or Celtic or would accept a move there in seconds so they don't want to upset them. Same as any official or politician would never be elected again if they actually stood up to it.

[Sir David Gray]

Rangers and Celtic would be bankrupt after 6 months if similar measures were brought in up here which is why it will never happen.

[Pretty Boy]

We don't have a problem with sectarianism in Scotland. Football is for everyone and anyone up here.

[Keith_M]

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We don't have a problem with sectarianism in Scotland. Football is for everyone and anyone up here.

"Everyone Anyone"

"Everybody Welcome"

[Cataplana]

Abhorrent as this is, it sounds like a couple of ex pat Bluenoses pitched up and put on a show to impress those around them.

In future, Barnsley just to keep a closer eye 5' 4" men with bowler hats and cheap trainers at the gate, and theyll be fine.

[Cataplana]

Abhorrent as this is, it sounds like a couple of ex pat Bluenoses pitched up and put on a show to impress those around them.

In future, Barnsley just to keep a closer eye 5' 4" men with bowler hats and cheap trainers at the gate, and theyll be fine.

[Keith_M]

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Abhorrent as this is, it sounds like a couple of ex pat Bluenoses pitched up and put on a show to impress those around them.

In future, Barnsley just to keep a closer eye 5' 4" men with bowler hats and cheap trainers at the gate, and theyll be fine.

Chelsea supporters, obviously

[Antifa Hibs]

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Good for James McClean. Our players should be doing the same thing, instead of just brushing it off.

Scottish fitba needs The Rangers. Co-efficient on the up, new larger TV deal, high profile gaffer - they yield all the power and there is no chance anyone in Scottish football is going to risk upsetting the "bears".

Hibs are as complicit as anyone. 4000 huns singing fenian this and that towards Lennon and Stubbs - nothing to see here sweep sweep.

[truehibernian]

Yet there are ex players and now mainstream pundits that think The Rangers play in orange because of their previous connection to Dutch players and an ex manager and don't see a link to sectarianism

Football is the main driver of it up here and until the authorities really clamp down it'll remain.

Will teams ever line up before an Old Firm game with 'Show Sectarianism The Red Card"

[660]

Catholic players should start walking off if they hear abuse related to their religion. Would be interesting watching every single rangers game descend into farce.

[Ozyhibby]

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Abhorrent as this is, it sounds like a couple of ex pat Bluenoses pitched up and put on a show to impress those around them.

In future, Barnsley just to keep a closer eye 5' 4" men with bowler hats and cheap trainers at the gate, and theyll be fine.

None of that is which is important. The important thing is the zero tolerance approach of the English FA compared with the Scottish FA. Just another area in the game where they are failing. No doubt Hibs will be happy to see them bring their hate to Easter road next time out as well.


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[h1bs4life]

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Catholic players should start walking off if they hear abuse related to their religion. Would be interesting watching every single rangers game descend into farce.

If that happened sevco wouldn't have a team.

The old firm can do what they want in Scottish Football , as much as they are supposed to hate each other they need each other to bring in the cash.
You only had to see when UEFA pulled up the Huns earlier this season and closed down part of the stadium they s##t themselves and statements came out that sectarian behaviour would not be tolerated at Hunbrox only for the songs to start again next leauge game.
It needs UEFA to get involved in domestic football for any change to happen.

[Cataplana]

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Chelsea supporters, obviously

They seem to get everywhere.

[truehibernian]

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None of that is which is important. The important thing is the zero tolerance approach of the English FA compared with the Scottish FA. Just another area in the game where they are failing. No doubt Hibs will be happy to see them bring their hate to Easter road next time out as well.


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There are 40 other professional teams Ozy that, combined, could be doing a lot more to pressure the football governing bodies into action.

I agree with you - but inaction fuels it. Just as The Rangers are masters at statements, we should be calling it out each and every time it happens at Easter Road as should other clubs.

[RoxburghHibs]

maybe add NHC to the title

[Cataplana]

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There are 40 other professional teams Ozy that, combined, could be doing a lot more to pressure the football governing bodies into action.

I agree with you - but inaction fuels it. Just as The Rangers are masters at statements, we should be calling it out each and every time it happens at Easter Road as should other clubs.

We are appalled. We keep going to games featuring them to remind ourselves how appalled we are, and spend the money they give us so they can apall us even more.

In addition, we are so appalled that we sell them players, presumably sent there as missionaries to ensure we are appalled less in future.

There are a lot of words about sectarianism, but the truth is most fans love the pantomime villain. Why else do they tolerate it?

[DH1875]

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Catholic players should start walking off if they hear abuse related to their religion. Would be interesting watching every single rangers game descend into farce.

Be quite funny when their own players walk off.

[truehibernian]

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We are appalled. We keep going to games featuring them to remind ourselves how appalled we are, and spend the money they give us so they can apall us even more.

In addition, we are so appalled that we sell them players, presumably sent there as missionaries to ensure we are appalled less in future.

There are a lot of words about sectarianism, but the truth is most fans love the pantomime villain. Why else do they tolerate it?

I go to games to watch Hibs and hopefully Hibs winning. I don't go to hear bile. I do kind of agree with your point, however you (we) have to separate the business side of football (transfers between the clubs) from moral attitudes and acceptable behaviour in society (and the game). We can still trade and also challenge another club's (fans) behaviour.

Don't get me wrong, every league has the same issues, particularly (at present) around racism in European leagues. But there are five protected characteristics in law, and in Scotland we stand by and allow bigotry and sectarianism to flourish, with football being the main platform for it to he heard publicly and across television and radio. We support action against racism, we are supporting LGBTI rights across the game, we are throwing support and money (and not before time) towards disability and mental health (in football), yet we are pretty redundant when it comes to challenges those with religious intolerance which is prevalent each and very time we play them. I find it depressing.

[Vault Boy]

I'm glad the EFA took action. The abuse McLean gets is grim.

[Cataplana]

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I go to games to watch Hibs and hopefully Hibs winning. I don't go to hear bile. I do kind of agree with your point, however you (we) have to separate the business side of football (transfers between the clubs) from moral attitudes and acceptable behaviour in society (and the game). We can still trade and also challenge another club's (fans) behaviour.

Don't get me wrong, every league has the same issues, particularly (at present) around racism in European leagues. But there are five protected characteristics in law, and in Scotland we stand by and allow bigotry and sectarianism to flourish, with football being the main platform for it to he heard publicly and across television and radio. We support action against racism, we are supporting LGBTI rights across the game, we are throwing support and money (and not before time) towards disability and mental health (in football), yet we are pretty redundant when it comes to challenges those with religious intolerance which is prevalent each and very time we play them. I find it depressing.

Is there more that we can do?

When faced with the demand of removing the Irish flag from Parkhead in the early 50s, Celtic seriously considered the idea of closing the club down, rather than give in.

IMO, it is for the clubs now to say, "if your fans cannot behave in a decent way, then they are not welcome at our ground.'

[truehibernian]

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Is there more that we can do?

When faced with the demand of removing the Irish flag from Parkhead in the early 50s, Celtic seriously considered the idea of closing the club down, rather than give in.

IMO, it is for the clubs now to say, "if your fans cannot behave in a decent way, then they are not welcome at our ground.'

I totally agree with your last comment