1140 at Livingston v St Johnstone last night. Yes, Livingston are above us in the league, but they don’t contribute anything at all to the greater good of Scottish football.
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23-01-2020 08:34 AM #1
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23-01-2020 08:46 AM #2
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Get more than that at Women’s games. How do Livi survive? 😂
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23-01-2020 08:49 AM #3This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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23-01-2020 09:02 AM #4
The sooner Livingston and Hamilton and out the league the better. Their pitches have a lot to do with their survival. I think last night was Livingstons fourth home win in a row.
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23-01-2020 12:25 PM #6
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23-01-2020 09:07 AM #7
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23-01-2020 09:17 AM #9
Teams like Hamilton & Livingston are in our league on merit. They are both well run clubs who manage to compete in this league without anywhere near the same resources as other clubs.
Livi being above us in the table after losing Gallagher, Halkett & the keeper they had is a testament to good scouting & coaching. Our fans would slate our board for signing players like Dykes & Lamie from the championship, so we go sign players from the championship down south who flop. Shrewd signings who fit the model.
Hamilton manage to survive using their youth system. Constant conveyor belt of talent that gets game time in the 1st team & gets sold for profit. You arent trying to tell me they have better academy facilities than us? They also take players like Martin, Alston, Oakley & Fon Williams who are deemed not good enough for clubs around them & fit them into their team. Martin & Alston made Hallberg & Slivka look like amateurs last night.
2 clubs, 2 totally different methods of how to run a football club & they are successful at it, deserve more respect.
I dont like either clubs style of play, but you know what you are going to get, an organised team, who will press as a team, full of hungry players who play for the coach. Not their fault the local football fans would rather support bigger clubs, but they make do & do it very well.
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23-01-2020 11:57 AM #10This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
A ) The merit angle. From a purely sporting POV they absolutely deserve their place in the top league, in order to survive year after year, especially in the case of Hamilton, they have to be incredibly well run clubs from a financial and coaching point of view to be able to avoid relegation on a long term basis .. they way Hamilton have done that and Livvi's excellent season so far is testament to their efforts. It's nothing short of admirable.
B) The image angle. For different reasons both clubs suffer from a woeful lack of support from their local communities. Hamilton since time immemorial has been a hotbed of OF glory hunting and Livingston as a new town with influx from East and West will always have residents who already have allegiance to other teams rather than the local one, which lets not forget is also an incomer from Edinburgh.
Their lack of home support looks terrible on TV and their pathetic away supports aren't exactly a boost to the coffers of any club they play. Their plastic pitches belong in amateur or regional leagues, not in the top flight of a league that want's to be taken seriously. The fact that they are in the top flight at the expense of clubs like Dundee United, Dundee, Dunfermline or even Partick Thistle, all clubs with far bigger home supports and far bigger away supports is without doubt detrimental to the finances of the league, not to mention the atmosphere inside our stadiums.
And it bares saying again. From an image point of view their clear lack of support looks terrible on TV and does no favours to a league hoping to sell its product to audiences outwith Scotland ... In Livvi's case at some games the camera placement makes it look like the stadium is totally empty ... how the hell can that be good?Last edited by NAE NOOKIE; 23-01-2020 at 12:03 PM.
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23-01-2020 12:08 PM #11
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23-01-2020 12:23 PM #12
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Fair play to both of these teams who have done well with limited resources. I don't think your revenue or fan base should be determining where you are in the league, otherwise we might as well give up now and let Celtic and The Rangers play out the league between themselves. I'm more inclined to have a go at teams like Hearts and Aberdeen who do have adequate resources and yet consistently have a playing style that does nothing to promote football as an entertainment.
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23-01-2020 12:31 PM #13
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In the case of Aberdeen they kick us off the park and somehow get away with it, go down at the slightest contact and win free kicks/you get booked then they fluke a win when they deserve nothing and it's eye bleeding stuff.
You couldn't pay me enough to be an Aberdeen season ticket holder...
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23-01-2020 07:51 PM #14
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23-01-2020 09:12 AM #16
I know it was midweek and Hamilton are near bottom of the league but that away support last night was probably one of the smallest I’ve ever seen from a top league club.
Not having a go at Hamilton as better than supporting Old Firm but slightly worrying.
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23-01-2020 09:16 AM #17
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23-01-2020 09:16 AM #18
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Yes, that’s how dull our first half was 😂
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23-01-2020 09:19 AM #19
Upside to a crowd of 1140 is that none of them would still have been waiting to get in half and hour after kick off.
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23-01-2020 12:41 PM #20
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23-01-2020 02:17 PM #22
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Bring back Meadowbank Thistle
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23-01-2020 07:52 PM #23
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23-01-2020 09:33 PM #24
Ferranti Thistle,Meadowbank Thistle or Livingston fc, call them what you want but they filled a void in one of Scotland's largest modern towns that had no community based football club. the community, is comprised of huge Glasgow overspills and a lot of Edinburgh/West Lothian influx. a good mate of mine, who was a Celtic fan, decided to take his boy to Livi matches just to veer him away from the religious nonsense of the west re-fitba. for that, I applaud him. nevertheless, it is still an uphill struggle for even Livingston. don't like their playing surface, but do admire what their manager has done this season.the ground holds 10k, so they are there on merit
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24-01-2020 03:31 PM #25
We are a generation away from a major structural change in Scottish Football IMHO. It will be akin to rugby with far fewer professional/full-time sides.
We arguably have only 5 teams with viable crowds e.g. the OF, Hibs, Hearts and Aberdeen - and two of these sides have been bankrupt in recent years.
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24-01-2020 08:21 PM #26
The quality of football at our last game there was abysmal from both teams . The pitch is the main reason as it seems almost impossible to run with the ball or pass it around with any confidence. They have a way of playing that suits the pitch and gets results but it makes for grim viewing and probably one of the reasons next to nobody goes and watches them.
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23-01-2020 02:24 PM #27
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Fake club, playing on a fake pitch in a fake stadium in a fake town.
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23-01-2020 02:31 PM #28
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Livingston **** **** **** we prefer Meadowbank.............
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23-01-2020 07:04 PM #30
How can it be the clubs fault that crowds are so low?
It's down the age old problem, the gruesome twosome.
Agree about plastic pitches though, should be banned, especially at Kilmarnock.
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