https://www.modernfitba.com/blogs/20...-young-players
Article showing the success Scotland’s top 6 clubs have had in the last 10 years developing players. We come a very unimpressive 6th. To be fair, Eddie May has only been here for 5 of those years but it does not seem to be improving.
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20-01-2020 10:18 PM #1
Youth Development
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20-01-2020 10:55 PM #2This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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20-01-2020 11:06 PM #3
Interesting piece.
Still can't get my head around Wotherspoon being dropped for two cup finals. Madness
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20-01-2020 11:26 PM #5
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I’d be going old school and still have the boys cleaning boots and helping out around the place. Builds character and a bit back bone. We have too many “nice” boys coming thru. These boys are wrapped in cotton wool and the second they are exposed to shouts and abuse from the stands, most wilt.
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I agree that this is a rather worrying (non) development - and even more frustrating because we went through a period of winning a lot at Dev level, but the players didnt seem to make the transition to first team.
As well as other issues, this should be close to the top of any grand plan that Ron G has.
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21-01-2020 05:50 AM #7
The article only underlines what most of us have been saying for ages. Something is seriously wrong with
our scouting system and youth development or lack of it.
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21-01-2020 07:13 AM #9
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That makes for some pretty grim reading, I trust the club will be looking into this kind of thing and how to improve although it is hard to tell how these figures are affected by previous years of failure (i.e. before Eddie May).
Must admit though I am not too impressed with his tenure (all be it relatively short) so far...
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21-01-2020 07:22 AM #10
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We've come 6th. it's hardly massive underachievement.
Good enough? Nope? Sign of something wrong? Yup but seriously wrong? bit ott.
Also - the stats in that article are devoid of context. In the last 10 years hearts have played lots of youngsters, and given them lots of game time. I wonder why? Perhaps it was the full season where they had to play their youth products because they went into administration?
Just a thought. Same with Rangers.Last edited by Onceinawhile; 21-01-2020 at 07:24 AM.
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What lens should we be looking at - the latest batch."We know the people who have invested so far are simple fans." Vladimir Romanov - Scotsman 10th December 2012
"Romanov was like a breath of fresh air - laced with cyanide." Me.
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21-01-2020 07:30 AM #12
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I'm not sure those stats can be right. I can count 15 players who came though fairly easily, and am sure I'll be missing some
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21-01-2020 07:31 AM #13
The previous decade is one of unmitigated failure with regards to youth development, probably magnified by the success in the decade which preceded that. 'Golden generations' such as that which contained Brown, Thomson, Fletcher, Whittaker, Riordan etc aren't going to be regular occurrences but we need to be producing far more first team players from within our own ranks. Porteous is the only real success story in the last 10 years (you could make an argument for Spoony).
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21-01-2020 07:32 AM #15
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I wrote about this a while ago. I have a tradesman who works for me. The family are all rabid yams. His laddie plays for hearts, rangers and hibs.
Very promising little player from what I’ve heard from other people. The dad has told me though that it’s between hibs and rangers who he signs for. I said not hearts? He said no they’re too regimented and strict with the kids so his son doesn’t like going to hearts. Hibs are the complete opposite and very relaxed. Rangers however are next level. Give all the younger players meals and nutrition etc. Basically treat them like mini professionals.
I don’t know his laddie has chosen but it was between hibs and rangers. Hibs because of the relaxed set up and close to the family home, but they really wanted to go to rangers even though it was 90 minute drive at rush hour 3-4 times a week.
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21-01-2020 07:38 AM #16
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Promoted too soon or just not adequately prepared for the professional game?
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Producing one youth over the last 10 years(Porteous), who has been able to contribute consistently for the first team , is simply not good enough. Not sure what the root cause is but it needs to be addressed now. This club, whether we like it or not, needs ongoing revenue from player sales. At the current rate we'd be as well binning the youth program and channel the money into buying young talent from smaller clubs e.g. players like Mcginn. Appreciate they don't come along often but when they do the likes if Aberdeen seem to be the one's moving for them first.
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21-01-2020 07:49 AM #21
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For me it's having both a manager who puts trust in younger players and who gives them 'proper' opportunities. 10 mins here and there isn't ideal.
It's also a club philosophy where young players are allowed to make mistakes.
I'm not saying that every young Hibs player will be a star, but we develop them right up to the edge of the first team but rarely push them through.
Almost write them of before they've started.
It's not going to happen but I'd love to see more play regularly. Not 10 mins here, 5 mins there then out the squad.
Shaw for me is the perfect example. Murray another. Gullan too. Give them a platform week in, week out to develop and grow in confidence.
I know there's probably at least a couple of others who may also could be considered.
If 1 in every 3 comes good then that's a start.
Not quite the same but if I think of Boyle when he arrived aged 22. Had the potential but never really got anyone too excited at first. He's has grown through support and opportunity into a fabulous player.
Maybe Brown, Deeks, Gaz et al were just a freak batch. Or maybe they were just given the platform, environment and confidence to really thrive?
Who knows.
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The Ajax model aspires to three or four a season Probsbly beyond our reach consistently but it’s an area we need to improve on
What’s Ron’s master plan for this An indoor pitch alone won’t improve this ratio
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I counted 36 players.
The assertion about David Wotherspoon is wrong too.
Most of the minutes played by academy players is by Hanlon and Stevenson.
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21-01-2020 10:27 AM #29This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote"The power of accurate observation is frequently called cynicism by those who don't have it" - George Bernard Shaw.
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