Rice on Gambling charges

**FilipinoHibs** · 20-01-2020 11:05 AM

Not good for Hamilton

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/51176275

***green day*** · 20-01-2020 11:08 AM

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Not good for Hamilton

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/51176275

Couldnt care less about Hamilton, but feel sorry for Brian Rice.

Its an addiction, and one that - iirc - got him into a bit of bother in the middle east a few years ago.

A real shame for him.

**hibsbollah** · 20-01-2020 11:12 AM

A good opportunity for the nicest man in football, Guillaume Beuzelin, to get the gig. He might actually make them watchable.

**~~Peevemor~~** · 20-01-2020 11:12 AM

I've always liked Brian Rice but obviously he has a major addiction.

I wonder why he turned himself in - maybe a story was about to break.

***Hibbyradge*** · 20-01-2020 11:15 AM

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I've always liked Brian Rice but obviously he has a major addiction.

I wonder why he turned himself in - maybe a story was about to break.

Or maybe someone was trying to blackmail him.

***lord bunberry*** · 20-01-2020 11:17 AM

Unless he’s been betting on his own team to lose I don’t see the problem. I know he’s broken the rules, but I doubt he’ll get much of a ban.

***jacomo*** · 20-01-2020 11:18 AM

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I've always liked Brian Rice but obviously he has a major addiction.

I wonder why he turned himself in - maybe a story was about to break.

Most likely.

I understand why the ban is in place, but Rice seems like a victim of an addiction to a pastime that will be marketed very aggressively everywhere he looks.

**Since452** · 20-01-2020 11:18 AM

Hope he gets the help he needs. Also hope it has a negative effect on them on Wednesday

***green day*** · 20-01-2020 11:19 AM

Statement by Rice and the club - https://www.hamiltonacciesfc.co.uk/c...nt-sfa-notice/

**~~Peevemor~~** · 20-01-2020 11:28 AM

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Statement by Rice and the club - https://www.hamiltonacciesfc.co.uk/c...nt-sfa-notice/

Wow! Excellent statements from Rice & Accies.

***green day*** · 20-01-2020 11:30 AM

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Wow! Excellent statements from Rice & Accies.

Agreed, interesting to see the Accies Chief Exec sayign he wants to take it further with the SFA and try to get help for others.

***matty_f*** · 20-01-2020 11:34 AM

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Wow! Excellent statements from Rice & Accies.

They are good statements, handled the situation very well.

**lyonhibs** · 20-01-2020 11:37 AM

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Unless he’s been betting on his own team to lose I don’t see the problem. I know he’s broken the rules, but I doubt he’ll get much of a ban.

Absolutely crackers that folk can get banned for betting on games that have nothing to do with their club IMO. It's help Rice needs, not a bloody ban.

**Ozyhibby** · 20-01-2020 11:40 AM

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Unless he’s been betting on his own team to lose I don’t see the problem. I know he’s broken the rules, but I doubt he’ll get much of a ban.

If you work in football then you shouldn’t be able to bet on football. It’s the equivalent of insider trading.

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**Ozyhibby** · 20-01-2020 11:43 AM

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Absolutely crackers that folk can get banned for betting on games that have nothing to do with their club IMO. It's help Rice needs, not a bloody ban.

Is it ok for him to bet on a game between Aberdeen and St. Mirren if he has heard that ex Hamilton player Lewis Ferguson has picked up a knock and cant play?

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**~~Peevemor~~** · 20-01-2020 11:44 AM

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Absolutely crackers that folk can get banned for betting on games that have nothing to do with their club IMO. It's help Rice needs, not a bloody ban.

I can understand why to be honest. What if it was a manager betting on matches involving players of his who are on loan? People involved in the game are likely to have contacts which provide them with inside info or even influence.

**hibbysam** · 20-01-2020 11:45 AM

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If you work in football then you shouldn’t be able to bet on football. It’s the equivalent of insider trading.

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That’s absolute nonsense to be fair. A player at Ormiston, Cowdenbeath, Preston Athletic, or the likes has absolutely no influence on a game in the Scottish premiership. Likewise, any foreign football. Now if they want a bet then they’ll find a way to place it anyway, but unless your betting involving your own team, or at a push the rest of your competition (ie same league) then I see absolutely no issue.

Obviously this is a completely different issue altogether, and hopefully Rice gets all the help he needs as it’s a horrible disease, however the current rules in place aren’t fit for purpose.

**lyonhibs** · 20-01-2020 11:48 AM

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I can understand why to be honest. What if it was a manager betting on matches involving players of his who are on loan? People involved in the game are likely to have contacts which provide them with inside info or even influence.

Hence the "nothing to do with their club" qualification. Players out on loan elsewhere would obviously count as "to do with their club".

If he's put a bet on 25 Premiership games down south over the last 2 years, for example, what has that got to do with Hamilton?

***bingo70*** · 20-01-2020 11:49 AM

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I've always liked Brian Rice but obviously he has a major addiction.

I wonder why he turned himself in - maybe a story was about to break.

Maybe he was at a low point and just realised he needed it to come out to stop himself going further down that path.

I think it’s absolutely fantastic he’s come out In the open about it, regardless of the reasons why he’s done it.

I also don’t think it’s bad news for Hamilton, I think if Rice has been carrying that about on his shoulders recently he’ll be a better man for it being out in the open now, I also suspect the players may want to go that wee bit further for their manager now.

**~~Cataplana~~** · 20-01-2020 11:49 AM

Nobody was stopping him betting, just not on football.

**hibsbollah** · 20-01-2020 11:52 AM

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Statement by Rice and the club - https://www.hamiltonacciesfc.co.uk/c...nt-sfa-notice/

Brilliant thing to say.

***Hibbyradge*** · 20-01-2020 11:55 AM

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That’s absolute nonsense to be fair. A player at Ormiston, Cowdenbeath, Preston Athletic, or the likes has absolutely no influence on a game in the Scottish premiership. Likewise, any foreign football. Now if they want a bet then they’ll find a way to place it anyway, but unless your betting involving your own team, or at a push the rest of your competition (ie same league) then I see absolutely no issue.

Obviously this is a completely different issue altogether, and hopefully Rice gets all the help he needs as it’s a horrible disease, however the current rules in place aren’t fit for purpose.

People in football have wide connections.

For example, think of all the ex-Hibs players now plying their trade in other leagues and other countries.

It would be easy to influence a game in any league if people wanted to.

**Pretty Boy** · 20-01-2020 11:55 AM

Hopefully the SFA apply some common sense here and defer any ban/fine on the understanding Rice continues to seek help for his problems, proves he had done so and meets certain conditions.

It's help he needs. Not a ban and not a further loss of money. We are only seeing the tip of the iceberg with gambling problems at the moment, as the max stake on FOBTs drives more people onto the really destructive online market it's scary to think where we will be in a few years time. The ban on using credit cards to gamble that is due to come into effect is a good starting point.

***lord bunberry*** · 20-01-2020 11:57 AM

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If you work in football then you shouldn’t be able to bet on football. It’s the equivalent of insider trading.

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It’s not the same as insider trading as that’s illegal. There is no law that says someone working in a certain sport can’t gamble on it. It’s only illegal if you’re fixing the outcome to win money.

***Brightside*** · 20-01-2020 11:58 AM

Not sure what it has to do with Ruth Davidson mind you. She can't even be bothered having surgeries with her constituents.

**B.H.F.C** · 20-01-2020 11:58 AM

Ladbrokes Premiership. William Hill Scottish Cup. Betfred Cup.

Man has a bet and admits he has a serious problem, the people accepting money from the sponsors will then come down heavily on him, rather than help him, no doubt.

Don’t know what he’s been betting on, that can put a different slant on things, right enough.

***Hibbyradge*** · 20-01-2020 11:58 AM

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Hence the "nothing to do with their club" qualification. Players out on loan elsewhere would obviously count as "to do with their club".

If he's put a bet on 25 Premiership games down south over the last 2 years, for example, what has that got to do with Hamilton?

He'll know players in many of the EPL teams, or he'll have connections to them.

***bingo70*** · 20-01-2020 11:59 AM

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Hopefully the SFA apply some common sense here and defer any ban/fine on the understanding Rice continues to seek help for his problems, proves he had done so and meets certain conditions.

It's help he needs. Not a ban and not a further loss of money. We are only seeing the tip of the iceberg with gambling problems at the moment, as the max stake on FOBTs drives more people onto the really destructive online market it's scary to think where we will be in a few years time. The ban on using credit cards to gamble that is due to come into effect is a good starting point.

It never struck me until that ban was announced that people would gamble with a credit card and even then I can’t believe it’s taken so long for it to happen.

***Hibbyradge*** · 20-01-2020 12:00 PM

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It’s not the same as insider trading as that’s illegal. There is no law that says someone working in a certain sport can’t gamble on it. It’s only illegal if you’re fixing the outcome to win money.

The ban is to lessen the temptation/opportunity to fix games.