Since 1875 - Safe Standing Survey

[SquashedFrogg]

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Folk getting so bothered about "what it looks like on the telly" are, IMO, wanting safe standing for the wrong reasons, as if it's a pissing contest with other clubs to see who can look the best on telly.

Safe standing, and its proponents, are newcomers to a world of currently fully seated stadia with long term season ticket holders in all 3 stands and the idea that loads of them should be told to like it or lump it is hilarious and does safe standing no favours.
Should start wherever it will have the least impact on existing ST holders then grow from there if it's a success.

Great point.

[GreenCastle]

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Folk getting so bothered about "what it looks like on the telly" are, IMO, wanting safe standing for the wrong reasons, as if it's a pissing contest with other clubs to see who can look the best on telly.

Safe standing, and its proponents, are newcomers to a world of currently fully seated stadia with long term season ticket holders in all 3 stands and the idea that loads of them should be told to like it or lump it is hilarious and does safe standing no favours.
Should start wherever it will have the least impact on existing ST holders then grow from there if it's a success.

Disagree.

Scottish football is struggling - clubs should be doing everything possible to bring in new fans as we lose fans to other clubs around the world.

Watching highlights of half empty / fully empty stands isn’t a product fans want to support or sponsors want to get behind. The improvement of fans groups in last few years has improved the atmosphere at Scottish games - compare to the half and half scarves in England for example.

Judging by the ST holders in FF lower - many pick and choose games or just buy a ticket and not turn up. If FF lower was full every game this wouldn’t be an issue. It’s often half empty so surely a move to South lower would make sense ?

Hibs fans on 4 sides of the stadium - surely that’s what we are also striving for ?

[jacomo]

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Id like it to be bang centre of behind the goals tbh. But it's a start

Standing behind the goals.

Family section in the West Stand.

Signing section in the East.

Sorted.

[Keith_M]

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I'm assuming it's to do with sight lines. If you have safe standing in the corner, then less people's view of the pitch is impacted by a group standing for 90 minutes

Sounds like a good reason and definitely behind this

[Diclonius]

You shoud have included an "are you in favour of safe standing" question as the survey presumes that people in favour. I imagine the vast majority of us are but it would have been good to have something to back that up.

[Keith_M]

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Folk getting so bothered about "what it looks like on the telly" are, IMO, wanting safe standing for the wrong reasons, as if it's a pissing contest with other clubs to see who can look the best on telly.

I'm glad the club consider what ALL fans want and not just a small group trying to outdo their rivals.

[Keith_M]

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Didnt bother voting, as FF middle is not an option.

Would you like a tissue?

[we are hibs]

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Folk getting so bothered about "what it looks like on the telly" are, IMO, wanting safe standing for the wrong reasons, as if it's a pissing contest with other clubs to see who can look the best on telly.

Safe standing, and its proponents, are newcomers to a world of currently fully seated stadia with long term season ticket holders in all 3 stands and the idea that loads of them should be told to like it or lump it is hilarious and does safe standing no favours.
Should start wherever it will have the least impact on existing ST holders then grow from there if it's a success.

Where it would least impact season ticket holders is where it currently is and where it currently is isnt working. Then youre probably looking at section 45/37 which are quite narrow sections at the end of the east.

[LaMotta]

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Folk getting so bothered about "what it looks like on the telly" are, IMO, wanting safe standing for the wrong reasons, as if it's a pissing contest with other clubs to see who can look the best on telly.

Safe standing, and its proponents, are newcomers to a world of currently fully seated stadia with long term season ticket holders in all 3 stands and the idea that loads of them should be told to like it or lump it is hilarious and does safe standing no favours.
Should start wherever it will have the least impact on existing ST holders then grow from there if it's a success.

Football IS one massive pissing contest and about trying to outdo your rivals. A noisy full singing section visible on TV would help improve the image of the club to prospective signing targets, sponsors, fans, tv deals etc...no doubt about that.

Barry Hearn gets it I'm amazed so many still dont.

[lyonhibs]

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Disagree.

Scottish football is struggling - clubs should be doing everything possible to bring in new fans as we lose fans to other clubs around the world.

Watching highlights of half empty / fully empty stands isn’t a product fans want to support or sponsors want to get behind. The improvement of fans groups in last few years has improved the atmosphere at Scottish games - compare to the half and half scarves in England for example.

Judging by the ST holders in FF lower - many pick and choose games or just buy a ticket and not turn up. If FF lower was full every game this wouldn’t be an issue. It’s often half empty so surely a move to South lower would make sense ?

Hibs fans on 4 sides of the stadium - surely that’s what we are also striving for ?

I must be missing something - you think clubs like Hibs gain or lose new fans based on what the crowd "looks like" on the meagre 5 minute weekly highlights clip we get?

[lyonhibs]

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Where it would least impact season ticket holders is where it currently is and where it currently is isnt working. Then youre probably looking at section 45/37 which are quite narrow sections at the end of the east.

We have an official "safe standing" section at ER already? Must have missed that press release .

I assume what's being discussed in this thread is doing it properly, with rail seating etc, not just an area where it's understood that standing and singing is encouraged/tolerated (in the case of standing which technically isn't allowed but we all know that doesn't happen in reality thankfully).

[hibbyfraelibby]

As I understand it, looking at the seats used in the East stand for the disabled supporters, there would still be a seat for every supporter which would allow them to see over someone choosing to stand in front of them. Just fit out all the lower sections through out the stadium ( except South)

Personally I prefer the East stand for the singing section but from an historican sense maybe we should re-create the old Shed atmosphere in the lower North, shift the "families" to ordinary seating in the South for all non Ugly Sister and noisy neighbour games (with a guaranteed seat elsewhere for those games).

As for what it looks like on TV I dont care. Its what it looks and sounds like in ER that matters

[GreenCastle]

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I must be missing something - you think clubs like Hibs gain or lose new fans based on what the crowd "looks like" on the meagre 5 minute weekly highlights clip we get?

Minimal but is it attractive for sponsors (something we struggle with as it is) ?

It’s not just Hibs but watching the Scottish highlights in the top league shows plenty empty seats behind the goals in lots of stadia.

Really doesn’t look a great product for anyone looking in.

What I care about most is Hibs winning games and match day experience- for both of those to improve fans firstly behind the goal would help. No coincidence the best away atmosphere is usually Tynie away with a full away end behind the goals.

[GreenCastle]

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We have an official "safe standing" section at ER already? Must have missed that press release .

I assume what's being discussed in this thread is doing it properly, with rail seating etc, not just an area where it's understood that standing and singing is encouraged/tolerated (in the case of standing which technically isn't allowed but we all know that doesn't happen in reality thankfully).

Why waste money and put in East where fans stand already ?

If you are going to spend £ on it - put it behind goals and leave the East.

Only should ever be considered in front rows of the east as wouldn’t block any views.

But bigger picture is an end where fans can go and support / hang banners / do more fantastic displays we have witnessed over the last few years.

Keeping the FF lower as it is - isn’t doing anything for the players or atmosphere.

[blackpoolhibs]

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Would you like a tissue?

Good one, that has cut me right to the bone, not sure if i can make it now to the airport for my plane to the sunshine.

[Brightside]

Surely it will be East 37? They wont be allowed in the family area FF Lower. and the police wont allow it next to oppo fans.

[jacomo]

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Football IS one massive pissing contest and about trying to outdo your rivals. A noisy full singing section visible on TV would help improve the image of the club to prospective signing targets, sponsors, fans, tv deals etc...no doubt about that.

Barry Hearn gets it I'm amazed so many still dont.

And, of course, also make the matchday experience at ER more enjoyable for all.

[SquashedFrogg]

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And, of course, also make the matchday experience at ER more enjoyable for all.

How will fans standing in the FFL make a better matchday experience for all?

What happens when we play a Hamilton/St Mirren midweek and it's half full? Will it not look silly on TV?

[NadeAteMyLunch!]

Incredibly short sighted by folk saying it doesn’t matter what it looks like on TV imo. We have a huge number of armchair fans who we could do with enticing along, particularly young fans who are constantly being lured away by the excitement of English games on TV. Of course a great atmosphere, lots of noise and colour is going to help. The FF lower is a miserable sight every week. I had a season ticket in there for years growing up and loved it but it’s not currently working.
Sure the players would prefer it as they chase a goal down that end second half as well

[SChibs]

If all the folk moaning about the East being poor for atmosphere since 1875 left got together and made an effort to make some noise the east would be back to how it was. Better still if they got together and joined the singing section it would continue to grow and make progress.

[SChibs]

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How will fans standing in the FFL make a better matchday experience for all?

What happens when we play a Hamilton/St Mirren midweek and it's half full? Will it not look silly on TV?

Nah cause those games arent shown on tv

[jakedance]

I’ll fill in the survey. Best option is the corner between the FF and East stands being developed to hold a standing area Similar design to Ibrox away end. No one gets moved and possibly not a huge cost.

[Billy Whizz]

I went for section 20

[TheGreenMan]

If you always do what you've always done, you'll always get what you always got.

Time to mix it up a bit and change to attempt to progress.

Should be FF Lower central, behind the goals to start with and hope it grows to the whole of the FF lower.

People are right about it being a product and with the mix of the colour and atmosphere it would hopefully generate as well as the likes of the banners and displays we've seen at recent big games then the Hibs marketing team can use snippets for constant social media updates and posts to engage with fans, especially younger ones. You see the amount of people filming the march to Tynecastle every time and its growing - people like being associated with this kind of thing, it looks fun. That verses the current FF Lower situation? No contest.

Any season ticket holders can surely relocate, its not like were short of decent seats available - most with better views. Or move upper tier if still prefer to be behind the goals

[HibbiesandtheBaddies]

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Id like it to be bang centre of behind the goals tbh. But it's a start

[HibbiesandtheBaddies]

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Keep it away from the East Stand.

Needs to be behind the goals in the centre of FF Lower.

The FF empty seats look has been going on too long.

Safe standing for middle 3 sections as a minimum.

Family section moved to south lower for Cat B games and other parts of stadium for Cat A if kids do go to these games.

Even Aberdeen managed to get it right yesterday with flags and standing behind goal.

I voted section 20 but don’t think it’s the way forward - right behind goals would help the club / team.

Feels like the FF Lower is at a shallower angle than the East stand, so probably safer and easier to appease Health & Safety.

[SquashedFrogg]

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Nah cause those games arent shown on tv

Ah, so you're saying that it's only live games on TV that we're bothered about? Not highlight packages of non-live games?

That's ok then because I'd doubt it would look full on those occasions.

Apologies. My mistake.

[jacomo]

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How will fans standing in the FFL make a better matchday experience for all?

What happens when we play a Hamilton/St Mirren midweek and it's half full? Will it not look silly on TV?

Two ways I think:
1. Giving fans a broader choice means everyone is better catered for. Some fans want seats for them and their kids and a firmer stance taken against abusive language... that is their right and could be accommodated in the West. Some want to stand and shout and, perhaps, a more lenient attitude adopted by stewards... and we can cater for that too.
2. A standing section would create a noisier more vibrant ER, improving the atmosphere for all. You don’t have to join in if you don’t want to.

[lyonhibs]

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If you always do what you've always done, you'll always get what you always got.

Time to mix it up a bit and change to attempt to progress.

Should be FF Lower central, behind the goals to start with and hope it grows to the whole of the FF lower.

People are right about it being a product and with the mix of the colour and atmosphere it would hopefully generate as well as the likes of the banners and displays we've seen at recent big games then the Hibs marketing team can use snippets for constant social media updates and posts to engage with fans, especially younger ones. You see the amount of people filming the march to Tynecastle every time and its growing - people like being associated with this kind of thing, it looks fun. That verses the current FF Lower situation? No contest.

Any season ticket holders can surely relocate, its not like were short of decent seats available - most with better views. Or move upper tier if still prefer to be behind the goals

The highlighted phrase shows, I suspect, a fundamental lack of understanding on what some people hold dear about their season ticket seat. I'd love to see the FF fuller with colour etc etc but it must be done in a sensible and sensitive fashion to those who have ST in there and may have done so for 20+ years. It would need to be a bottom up consultation before anything was made concrete, not something that is imposed from the top down.

Also, the club should focus its energies and money on putting a regularly successful winning team out on the park first and foremost. Watch the stadium fill up without the need for flags, tifos and a singing section if they manage that.

[lyonhibs]

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Ah, so you're saying that it's only live games on TV that we're bothered about? Not highlight packages of non-live games?

That's ok then because I'd doubt it would look full on those occasions.

Apologies. My mistake.

Must keep up with the Jones' you know