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    Roughly how long should it take for an employer to issue a former employee with a P45?

    I left my last job on 20th December after giving 4 weeks' notice. I started my new job on 6th January and I still haven't received a P45. My new employer has said the P45 needs to be with payroll by Friday of this week in order to avoid me being taxed on emergency rate for January's wage.

    I've messaged my previous manager about it who has said he has contacted HR earlier this week but as of today they apparently haven't replied to him.

    I wouldn't have thought it would take the best part of a month, at the very least, to receive a P45 but perhaps someone with more knowledge on such matters may want to correct me on that.

    Any help appreciated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir David Gray View Post
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    Roughly how long should it take for an employer to issue a former employee with a P45?

    I left my last job on 20th December after giving 4 weeks' notice. I started my new job on 6th January and I still haven't received a P45. My new employer has said the P45 needs to be with payroll by Friday of this week in order to avoid me being taxed on emergency rate for January's wage.

    I've messaged my previous manager about it who has said he has contacted HR earlier this week but as of today they apparently haven't replied to him.

    I wouldn't have thought it would take the best part of a month, at the very least, to receive a P45 but perhaps someone with more knowledge on such matters may want to correct me on that.

    Any help appreciated.
    I've perhaps been fortunate and only changed jobs once in the last 28 years, but I'm fairly sure I got my P45 within 2 weeks (this was 13 years ago).

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    Quote Originally Posted by speedy_gonzales View Post
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    I've perhaps been fortunate and only changed jobs once in the last 28 years, but I'm fairly sure I got my P45 within 2 weeks (this was 13 years ago).
    Cheers that's what I thought. I last changed jobs 5 years ago and I remember having my P45 in place for starting my new job then.

    I was giving them the benefit of the doubt at first due to the Christmas and New Year period being just after my leaving date but my last working day there would be 4 weeks ago on this coming Friday which I think is ample time to issue a P45.

    My ex-manager has said he will contact HR again tomorrow but has also provided me with their email address for me to contact them myself which gives me the impression that he doesn't really want to get too involved in it.

    He also said that you should be expecting that you would be emergency taxed on your first wage with a new employer which doesn't seem right to me if you get your P45 on time which I'm assuming most people do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir David Gray View Post
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    Cheers that's what I thought. I last changed jobs 5 years ago and I remember having my P45 in place for starting my new job then.

    I was giving them the benefit of the doubt at first due to the Christmas and New Year period being just after my leaving date but my last working day there would be 4 weeks ago on this coming Friday which I think is ample time to issue a P45.

    My ex-manager has said he will contact HR again tomorrow but has also provided me with their email address for me to contact them myself which gives me the impression that he doesn't really want to get too involved in it.

    He also said that you should be expecting that you would be emergency taxed on your first wage with a new employer which doesn't seem right to me if you get your P45 on time which I'm assuming most people do.
    I canít remember exactly how long it normally takes but itís always been automatic when Iíve moved. I have had an emergency tax code and it gets adjusted for in subsequent pay when the real tax code is issued. I think thatís fairly normal too.

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    Can you arrange with your current employer to complete a starter checklist (the replacement for the old P46)? It's not ideal but it should allow them to work out the correct tax code for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pretty Boy View Post
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    Can you arrange with your current employer to complete a starter checklist (the replacement for the old P46)? It's not ideal but it should allow them to work out the correct tax code for you.
    I'd seen that mentioned online so might be a possibility. It's no an option that's been offered to me so far so not sure what their procedures are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens View Post
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    I can’t remember exactly how long it normally takes but it’s always been automatic when I’ve moved. I have had an emergency tax code and it gets adjusted for in subsequent pay when the real tax code is issued. I think that’s fairly normal too.
    Yeah I know it gets adjusted in future months and I'll get any overpayments refunded. It's more the fact that I gave a month's notice and have also been away for two days shy of a month and still don't have a P45 that's annoying me.

    I don't feel there was any need for me to be placed on an emergency tax code with my new employer and my old employer has had plenty of time to get this to me.
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    Yeah I know it gets adjusted in future months and I'll get any overpayments refunded. It's more the fact that I gave a month's notice and have also been away for two days shy of a month and still don't have a P45 that's annoying me.

    I don't feel there was any need for me to be placed on an emergency tax code with my new employer and my old employer has had plenty of time to get this to me.
    No excuse for taking this long. They've known you were leaving since November. A decent company would've had it to you within a week of your last pay, 2 at a push.

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    Yeah I know it gets adjusted in future months and I'll get any overpayments refunded. It's more the fact that I gave a month's notice and have also been away for two days shy of a month and still don't have a P45 that's annoying me.

    I don't feel there was any need for me to be placed on an emergency tax code with my new employer and my old employer has had plenty of time to get this to me.
    Yes, I agree. I think going direct to your old payroll bypassing your old boss is probably a good move.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Killiehibbie View Post
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    No excuse for taking this long. They've known you were leaving since November. A decent company would've had it to you within a week of your last pay, 2 at a push.
    Yep agreed. I was prepared to wait until early January to get it due to the time of year etc but we're now at the end of the second full week of January and still no further forward.

    Personally think it's ridiculous and sums up in a nutshell why I've left.

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    Yes, I agree. I think going direct to your old payroll bypassing your old boss is probably a good move.
    Thanks yeah I emailed the payroll email address that my ex-manager gave me last night but nothing so far. He apparently emailed for them on Monday as well and he's heard nothing as well.

    I wouldn't go as far as to say that my ex-manager's not interested but his response in his message last night by shifting the onus onto me to chase it up myself etc gives me the impression that he's got other more important things to worry about than a P45 for someone who doesn't work for him anymore.
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    If your old employer still doesn't send you your P45, or says it can't, remind them that it is a legal obligation to provide all ex-employees with a P45. If it can't provide that, the company is breaking the law and you should contact HMRC about it. If you lose your P45Ö You cannot get a replacement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scouse Hibee View Post
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    If your old employer still doesn't send you your P45, or says it can't, remind them that it is a legal obligation to provide all ex-employees with a P45. If it can't provide that, the company is breaking the law and you should contact HMRC about it. If you lose your P45Ö You cannot get a replacement.
    Cheers I knew it was a legal thing that I had to get a P45 and I think I actually read the exact page you're quoting this from. What it didn't make clear though is what "if your old employer still doesn't send you your P45..." means in terms of actual time, i.e. is there a physical time limit on how long HMRC gives employers to issue a P45 to their ex-employees?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir David Gray View Post
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    Cheers I knew it was a legal thing that I had to get a P45 and I think I actually read the exact page you're quoting this from. What it didn't make clear though is what "if your old employer still doesn't send you your P45..." means in terms of actual time, i.e. is there a physical time limit on how long HMRC gives employers to issue a P45 to their ex-employees?
    Pretty sure there is no time limit

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    Quote Originally Posted by allant1981 View Post
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    Pretty sure there is no time limit
    That's what I thought.

    So if, for example, after another 2 weeks (which would then be 6 weeks after I left) I still don't have a P45, would HMRC entertain my complaint?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir David Gray View Post
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    That's what I thought.

    So if, for example, after another 2 weeks (which would then be 6 weeks after I left) I still don't have a P45, would HMRC entertain my complaint?
    Yip I'd certainly be speaking to HMRC now, it's quite a simple process as you probably know to sort a p45 so it shouldnt take that long but new staff coming in to my dept have spoken of issues like this before, hmrc will contact your ex employer and ask the question.

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