There's an interesting article in The Guardian* about the FA Cup game between Birmingham City and Blackburn where, despite tickets being priced at £12, the attendance was only 7,330
There's a whole lot of factors behind the apparent lack of interest in the FA Cup and we've seen it ourselves in Scotland, with some pretty crappy Scottish Cup attendances of our own.
The strange thing is, it used to be the case that attendances would rocket for Cup games, with people being genuinely excited. It's a shame the way it seems to be going.
* Apologies to Daily Mail, Sun and Telegraph readers.
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05-01-2020 10:29 AM #1
Diminishing Interest In The FA Cup
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05-01-2020 10:39 AM #2
Keith, think so many fans now invest in season tickets, far more than in years gone by. Means they may have used their football budget up
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05-01-2020 10:41 AM #3This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
I definitely agree that's a factor, Billy.
It's just a shame, as I still remember the excitement about upcoming Cup games and there would actually be increased attendances (even when I started going to football in the late 70s/early 80s, which was dire for crowds).
I think it's an issue that the authorities and clubs need to face.
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05-01-2020 10:49 AM #5
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05-01-2020 10:51 AM #7
I've not read the article yet but will have a look at it later. For me in English football it's just simple economics. For, as an example, Aston Villa finishing 17th and remaining in the Premier League is far more valuable than winning the FA Cup. Their manager will pick a team that reflects the fact and fans will respond accordingly. Likewise for Leeds and West Brom trying to reach that land of milk and honey is worth more than a trinket in the cabinet.
Wigan a few years back is a great example. Won the FA Cup, still had league games to play, relegated and never been back in the top league since and could well be relegated again in the coming months. The fans will remember the FA Cup win forever but from a business perspective it would have made far more sense to stay in the league.
I don't like that at all. Football should be about winning trophies or being as competitive as you can be but English Football is a tale of have and have nots. Being 13th, 14th, 15th etc in the EPL makes you a have, winning the FA Cup doesn't.
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05-01-2020 10:56 AM #8This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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Possibly there are, for instance the game in the article was actually moved to a time to suit the Asian market, when they already knew the crowd was going to be low.
It was also their FIFTH game in THIRTEEN days... Total madness.
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05-01-2020 11:25 AM #9
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I find it very odd when Man U etc put out reserve teams in this cup. It’s pretty much the only chance of medals this season.
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05-01-2020 11:27 AM #10
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05-01-2020 11:33 AM #11
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Talking of Man United they single handedly confirmed the demise of the FA Cup when they refused to play in it in order to play a challenge match in Brazil IIRC.
Remember that?
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05-01-2020 11:36 AM #12
I was at Fulham v Villa yesterday. Villa fans on the tube afterwards didn’t appear bothered their arsenal they were out. I blame Man U. They started the depreciation.
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05-01-2020 11:37 AM #13
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05-01-2020 11:39 AM #14This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show QuotePM Awards General Poster of The Year 2015, 2016, 2017. Probably robbed in other years
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I remember that vividly.
I was not impressed.
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05-01-2020 11:52 AM #17This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Also, the Premier League, Championship and some League One teams surely have such a high wage burden that survival in, and promotion into the 'money spinning leagues' above is a priority, including European qualification.
I wonder when or if the bubble will burst?
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05-01-2020 12:00 PM #18
The magic is only really there for the lower league and non league clubs in the early rounds. EPL clubs don't really give a toss until quarter final/semi final stage. Its a shame as it used to be a really exciting competition and I used to love watching the small teams give their all in a giant killing attempt.
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05-01-2020 12:04 PM #19This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
But as the article makes clear, you have to be a certain age to understand what the FA cup final used to be about. It had a status and kudos not far off being the league champions. Resting key players automatically for cup games would be unthinkable. And as a fan or TV viewer in the 70s and 80s the Cup was a major deal. Ozzie Ardiles' Spurs beating Coventry City 3-2 sticks in my mind, even in Edinburgh literally all the kids in my class watched it and talked about it on Monday morning. And noone even supported the teams involved! It was just a huge event (and as a TV viewer you were used to a choice between Highway and Songs of Praise, Ski Sunday was the only highlight). And those endless replays! Sheff Wed Chelsea going to a 5th replay, and still you'd get a full house.
Jumpers for goalposts, marvellous, etc etc.
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05-01-2020 12:10 PM #20
Seems to me that all cup matches, across the whole country, have lost something. It felt different in days gone by because cup day was cup day. Everyone played on the same day and if you won your tie, you rushed to the nearest telly or wireless for the next draw that evening.
(Sinks back into armchair with a misty eye hankering for the good old days).
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05-01-2020 12:13 PM #21
It's totally understandable why teams prioritise league position, particularly those at the top end of the table and those facing relegation battles.
Brighton received £105m for finishing 17th in the EPL last season. Cardiff, who were 18th and got relegated, received £103m. So Brighton know that even if this season is poor, their efforts last term earned them a minimum of £208m.
Qualification for the CL group stages alone is worth about £13.5m and each point won in the group nets about £750k.
CL winners receive about £75m and that doesn't include the "market pool" which almost doubles all the prize monies earned.
The winners of the FA Cup received about £7m in total.
But it's Man United's fault ...
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05-01-2020 12:16 PM #22This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
The FA and Scottish Cup finals being televised was probably one of the few occasions people got the chance to see a game in it's entirity on TV. That adds something. It's arguably the same reason the World Cup doesn't invoke the same feeling anymore. You aren't going to see an exotic South American or African set the world alight because he probably plays for Liverpool or PSG and you probably see him every other day on TV.
I suppose that ultimately comes back to an economic argument again. Fwiw I still love cup football, I think in Scotland you have to because it's the only chance you have of any success, relative or otherwise. If we didn't have that we'd be as well just giving up.
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I hate the fact that the money in the game today has devalued the FA cup and teams now play weakened sides. The FA cup was a massive occasion for me in the 70’s & 80’s. If I wasn’t at Wembley watching it we alaways had the neighbours round every year regardless of who was playing and it was a real occasion with a buffet in our house, loved those days.Last edited by Scouse Hibee; 05-01-2020 at 12:22 PM.
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05-01-2020 12:21 PM #24
Utd were kind of forced to withdraw from the fa Cup
The English fa we’re convinced this would allow them sto stage the 2006 World Cup and put pressure on Utd to compete in the first world club cup
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But I think the commercialisation and monopolisation at some point has to stop, or at least be managed, and governing bodies have to protect the integrity of cup competitions, even if that involves simply upping the financial rewards. Otherwise the supporters of clubs outside the handful of clubs at the top of the game will have simply nothing to play for.
Which is where the economic becomes the political.
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I agree with your point about the World Cup too. I vividly remember the 1982 World Cup and having no idea who Zico, Socrates and Eder were, let alone Paolo Rossi or Karl-Heinz Rummenigge. In those days the only access to knowledge of players like that was my barber, who had copies of World Soccer on a coffee table, to peruse while you waited (He also had some magazines of a more racy quality but they were a bit scary when you were eight years old and really just wanting a short back and sides).There's only one thing better than a Hibs calendar and that's two Hibs calendars
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No apologies needed. Anyone reading those rags deserve what they get!
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05-01-2020 01:18 PM #29
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There was no way you would remember the names of players, it was an era when words like Ajax, Juventus and Real were the subject of prolonged debates in the playground.
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