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Thread: Gullan - recalled from loan
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02-01-2020 04:33 PM #31
"I did not need any persuasion to play for such a great club, the Hibs result is still one of the first I look for"
Sir Matt Busby
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02-01-2020 07:09 PM #33
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03-01-2020 01:21 PM #34
Every time Murray gets a chance he does well enough I think his last 2 starts he’s had a assist in each game
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03-01-2020 01:45 PM #36
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I wonder if Jamie Gullan is going to be loaned to a Championship or lower Premiership team to help him develop. Maybe we felt he needed a stiffer challenge to develop further.
Has anyone heard anything?
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03-01-2020 01:47 PM #37
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I'd say he's anything but painfully slow. Would you describe Scott Allan in terms of pace?
For me he's a cracking young player. Good touch and vision. Can play in a number of attacking positions. His wee dink through to McNulty v the sheep last season was sublime.
All IMO of course.
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03-01-2020 02:01 PM #39
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The development of this particular group of players by the club has been pretty shocking really.
The team won the Scottish youth cup and pretty much had the better of all other clubs including Old Firm. To have one player make the break through in Porteous is pretty poor.
The merry go round of managers hasnt helped but Murray Shaw should be first team regulars by now.
Heckys development of them was one of the reasons I believe he was sacked. He smashed Oli Shaws confidence to bits. Bringing him on with 5-10 mins to go, totally out of position out wide and publically slaughtering him was terrible man management.
Dempster once stated Shaw was one of the best youngsters in Europe for his age, which was maybe slightly exaggerated but what we had was a striker banging them in the development side and was head and shoulders above everyone for his age. A Scottish under 21 internationalist who has all the attributes to be a top striker who is now being suggested on here to go out on loan to Raith ******g Rovers! Absolutely criminal imo.
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03-01-2020 02:21 PM #41
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Football is littered with players that ‘had a chance’ but ended up nowhere. Some responsibility has to fall their way surely? I think we’ve simply always had better strikers on the books than him.
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03-01-2020 03:27 PM #42
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Shaw is definitely good enough to be a solid back up and thats absolutely fine.
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03-01-2020 04:34 PM #45
I don't see the development team at all but from watching them in the first XI I would say that Shaw is a squad player at best and may leave to play somewhere like St Johnstone, Dundee, Falkirk and Murray will not make it at the top level in Scotland, again probably a player for the likes of the teams mentioned. I would suggest that from my limited views of Murray that Wotherspoon was better than him and he struggled for game time and also left us
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03-01-2020 04:40 PM #47
Have said it for years....the progression of youth to first team under Eddie May is less than impressive and will probably continue to be so as long as he is there.
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03-01-2020 04:48 PM #49
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Murray looks a player to me but he and Shaw need to play. If the current manager is of the same mind as the previous 2 then get them out on loan to develop because they will go nowhere sitting on the bench and playing development games.
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03-01-2020 04:59 PM #50
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Especially when we look at Motherwell whom are doing extremely well whilst playing a lot of youngsters from their development team.
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03-01-2020 05:50 PM #53
Wotherspoon isn’t comparable to Murray.
Played far far more games and had showed a lot more ability imo, not even close. Must have played more than 100 games for us and was regularly a starter either out wide, central or right back.
Wotherspoon is a decent SPFL player.
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Agree with all this.
We tend to bemoan our youngsters for not being good enough but as a group they excelled. So you have to start wondering why Hibs are failing to bring more young players through into the first team.
Something in our set up isn’t right.
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03-01-2020 05:57 PM #55
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I think that it’s all down to the dreadful recruitment in the summer.I think that those involved in that disastrous waste of resources still on the staff are instrumental in filling the squad with these no-hopers so as to justify bringing them to the club and resulting in a lack of game time for young players.That the head of recruitment has been promoted to director of football defies belief and is something I hope to be able to raise at the AGM.
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03-01-2020 06:00 PM #56
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If the young team are winning trophies but they’re beating teams who have all their best young players in the first team I know who’s got the most successful youth set up and it’s not the ones lifting the trophies.
I know it’s not a popular opinion but the young players that can’t break into the first team and keep their place simply aren’t good enough. Football is a tough environment, if they can’t break into the team and make an immediate impact they probably won’t get another chance. If they do get another chance they need to keep taking them, doing what Shaw has done will see him replaced, he won’t keep getting chances forever.
I (think) i remember when Scott Brown and KT broke through, you knew straight away they would make it as they had that swagger, that arrogance and once they were in they wouldn’t be giving up their place without a fight. I see that attitude with Porteous, I don’t with Shaw, Murray or Mackie.
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03-01-2020 06:21 PM #59
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Porteous, IMO, is suffering from not having enough players around him to help him. We have ‘good’ pros in terms of the way the look after themselves and all that but are they capable of looking after the young players on the pitch?
Murray is the only one who hasn’t had a real crack at it. Shaw has made over 50 appearances and, IMO, it’s just a case that he’s not good enough. I’ve never felt he was going to make the position his own.
Don’t know what the answer is but I don’t think there are many teams in the league who do a particularly good job at bringing young players through. Hamilton do it out of necessity. Motherwell are thrown round as an example but I don’t think there are that many players in their first 11 who have come through their system.
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03-01-2020 06:39 PM #60
Could it not just be the case that the 3-4 young players who were good enough should've been sent on loan 2 years ago, instead they've hung around the squad as fillers with the odd few minutes here and there. Years ago these young lads got there experience from going on loans, just like Riordan, GOC, Hanlon etc.
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