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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozyhibby View Post
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    Iím sure Trump will hold back on calling him a socialist, especially as Sanders calls himself that.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba View Post
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    And? He is hardly Leon Trotsky.
    I agree but that wonít matter. Itís how he will be portrayed. He will be sold as the guy who wants to take away your medical insurance.
    As far as American politics goes, heís as far left as it gets and I donít think they will vote for that.


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    I'm preparing myself for a dreadful repeat of BoJo.

    5 more years of Trump - my god - is what I'm resigned to. People are idiots and showbiz/infantile slogans will win.

    Would be ecstatic to be proven wrong though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lyonhibs View Post
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    I'm preparing myself for a dreadful repeat of BoJo.

    5 more years of Trump - my god - is what I'm resigned to. People are idiots and showbiz/infantile slogans will win.

    Would be ecstatic to be proven wrong though.
    Iíd like to think the world will start to come to its senses soon, this would be a decent place to start.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozyhibby View Post
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    I agree but that wonít matter. Itís how he will be portrayed. He will be sold as the guy who wants to take away your medical insurance.
    As far as American politics goes, heís as far left as it gets and I donít think they will vote for that.


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    Rather ironically a lot of what Sanders was saying 7 or 8 years ago on NAFTA and immigration was similiar to what Trump said in the election campaign and what won him the states around the lakes.


    From what I know the American 401k savings plan is tied to stock market performance, if the economy keeps growing as it is and the stock market keeps making new highs it's going to be hard for the Democrats to get Trump out.


    It's fashionable to rip on Trump, however if you are a working middle class American are you going to potentially risk the stock market and economy for a Democrat that (if not a centralist) could see markets tumble?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CloudSquall View Post
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    Rather ironically a lot of what Sanders was saying 7 or 8 years ago on NAFTA and immigration was similiar to what Trump said in the election campaign and what won him the states around the lakes.


    From what I know the American 401k savings plan is tied to stock market performance, if the economy keeps growing as it is and the stock market keeps making new highs it's going to be hard for the Democrats to get Trump out.


    It's fashionable to rip on Trump, however if you are a working middle class American are you going to potentially risk the stock market and economy for a Democrat that (if not a centralist) could see markets tumble?
    The American economy has grown every year for 11 years though, so it was initiated by a Democrat in Obama, after a Republican oversaw their recession.

    The issues with Trump are far more to do with the fact he's such a poor diplomat, the antithesis of a statesman and a volatile xenophobe. As a middle class American, I'd be embarrassed by that man running my country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba View Post
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    And give you free health care at the point of delivery instead, the evil commie
    I know but as I said earlier, that looks like a risk to someone who has health insurance with their job. American are suspicious of universal healthcare. They think it canít be done. And tearing down the current system results in lots of people thinking they are losing out.


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    Quote Originally Posted by lyonhibs View Post
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    I'm preparing myself for a dreadful repeat of BoJo.

    5 more years of Trump - my god - is what I'm resigned to. People are idiots and showbiz/infantile slogans will win.

    Would be ecstatic to be proven wrong though.
    Prepare for ecstasy! (US presidents only get 4 year terms )

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    Quote Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens View Post
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    Prepare for ecstasy! (US presidents only get 4 year terms )
    Iím not convinced this one would go quietly if he lost an election.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozyhibby View Post
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    Iím not convinced this one would go quietly if he lost an election.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba View Post
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    Why would any working class American oppose universal healthcare?
    You'd be surprised.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba View Post
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    And give you free health care at the point of delivery instead, the evil commie
    It's only free if you don't pay anything towards it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba View Post
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    I meant Hilary in 2016.
    I know. I meant that Bill and Barack tacked more to the centre that Bernie and that was how they ensured the electoral arithmetic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cataplana View Post
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    It's only free if you don't pay anything towards it.
    The poor still deserve healthcare. Almost everybody pays national insurance at some point in life. When someone is unable to do that for a period, they still deserve the care.

    And non-profit system much cheaper to run. The USA spends roughly twice its GDP on health care than the UK, France, Germany, Scandinavian countries, yet has sixty million people without any coverage. The American system is incredibly bureaucratic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haymaker View Post
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    You'd be surprised.
    Yeah many Americans regard universal healthcare as some sort of socialist/communist ideal and is fundamentally wrong and evil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Renfrew_Hibby View Post
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    Yeah many Americans regard universal healthcare as some sort of socialist/communist ideal and is fundamentally wrong and evil.
    This is true. They've been fed that line by big business and the conservative media for decades.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens View Post
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    Prepare for ecstasy! (US presidents only get 4 year terms )
    Ahhh, 2024 let the good times roll.........

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    Quote Originally Posted by RyeSloan View Post
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    Iím always amazed just how old the candidates can be!

    I mean good on them but boy how do they find the energy at nearly 80 to go on a year long campaign?

    That aside itís an interesting race for the Democrats. Contrary to some I believe Biden could beat Trump but Warren would have no chance.

    Yang is an interesting one but heís tied himself to a few very large but rather wonky policies so not sure that was too wise.

    In the end though Iím sure .net will be 95% on the Ďanyone but Trumpí side of the argument. As a poster said earlier US politics makes Johnson look like a leftie!

    But even left / right aside Iím amazed anyone could vote for Trump this time around. Last time yeah, I get why some bought into his bombastic approach and ridiculous rhetoric. But this time? No way. Just one read of his twitter feed should be enough to tell you that.
    People get entrenched, just like people are entrenched with Bolsonaro and in time Johnson. It then becomes a pride thing. Weíre ****** until these clowns see out their respective times in office the worrying thing tho is less the figureheads of Trump, Bolsonaro and Johnson more those behind them enabling this mayhem.
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