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    Northern Ireland has come a long way in the past 329 years, yet some in this country haven't moved an inch. Very odd.
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    It takes a big person to admit they were wrong, so fair play.

    We could debate the terrible history of The Troubles until doomsday, but why Rangers fan think it appropriate to sing about Sands at a Scottish football match in 2019 is just weird. Northern Ireland has come a long way in the past twenty years, yet some in this country haven't moved an inch. Very odd.
    It's probably easier to glorify a war and revel in the triumphalism when you don't have to live with the consequences on a day to day basis.

    For the people of NI the Troubles were real life, for idiot OF supporters it's a reason to get dressed up and march about the streets a couple of times a year and/or sing things you don't really understand at a football match.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba View Post
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    It takes a big person to admit they were wrong, so fair play.

    We could debate the terrible history of The Troubles until doomsday, but why Rangers fan think it appropriate to sing about Sands at a Scottish football match in 2019 is just weird. Northern Ireland has come a long way in the past twenty years, yet some in this country haven't moved an inch. Very odd.
    The The Rangers fans lend credence to the cliche of being part of the problem if you are not part of the solution. When Stormont reconvenes with a greater Nationalist presence, democratically elected, hopefully things will start to change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pretty Boy View Post
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    It's probably easier to glorify a war and revel in the triumphalism when you don't have to live with the consequences on a day to day basis.

    For the people of NI the Troubles were real life, for idiot OF supporters it's a reason to get dressed up and march about the streets a couple of times a year and/or sing things you don't really understand at a football match.
    There is a significant number of Rangers supporters from Northern Ireland.

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    Peter Taylor's documentary about his years covering the Troubles is well worth watching:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m0007pb4

    It includes some remarkable stories about the 'H blocks' featuring prisoners from both sides.

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    Peter Taylor's documentary about his years covering the Troubles is well worth watching:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m0007pb4

    It includes some remarkable stories about the 'H blocks' featuring prisoners from both sides.
    There was a load of good documentaries in the "Troubles at 50" series.
    After watching them all I was left feeling, as I always have, that it was a massive waste of life.
    Hell on earth for those who lived through it and where affected directly or indirectly by it.
    Families devastated and torn apart forever.

    Thousands of lives lost and ruined over 30 years and the result was Gerry Adams, Ian Paisley & Martin McGuinness etc sitting in Stormont.
    Isn't it always the way with wars. The wee folk crushed on the wheel of the noble cause and the leaders reaping the glory.

    That feeling ties in with my impression of Bobby Sands which was that he was misguided. Gave his life for a war that couldn't be won and the result of this ultimate sacrifice was his leaders sitting in Stormont. His family are angry about that to this day which tells you Sands and Adams were on different pages and that Sands giving his life was a mistake.
    Gerry Adams, whatever folk think of him, was a street wise intellectual and master tactician who was light years ahead of Sands and the equal of any British commander or politician.
    As a result Adams is alive and well and still being the intellectual and Sands has been dead for over 40 years. Bobby Sands was robbed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CMurdoch View Post
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    There was a load of good documentaries in the "Troubles at 50" series.
    After watching them all I was left feeling, as I always have, that it was a massive waste of life.
    Hell on earth for those who lived through it and where affected directly or indirectly by it.
    Families devastated and torn apart forever.

    Thousands of lives lost and ruined over 30 years and the result was Gerry Adams, Ian Paisley & Martin McGuinness etc sitting in Stormont.
    Isn't it always the way with wars. The wee folk crushed on the wheel of the noble cause and the leaders reaping the glory.

    That feeling ties in with my impression of Bobby Sands which was that he was misguided. Gave his life for a war that couldn't be won and the result of this ultimate sacrifice was his leaders sitting in Stormont. His family are angry about that to this day which tells you Sands and Adams were on different pages and that Sands giving his life was a mistake.
    Gerry Adams, whatever folk think of him, was a street wise intellectual and master tactician who was light years ahead of Sands and the equal of any British commander or politician.
    As a result Adams is alive and well and still being the intellectual and Sands has been dead for over 40 years. Bobby Sands was robbed.
    All conflicts are a massive waste of life. As Tony Benn said, all wars result from a failure in diplomacy, and the lives of those who played no role in escalating a conflict are the easiest to take. It's always the innocent who carry the heaviest burden. Violence begets violence, and The Troubles are a classic example of how blow for blow violence can quickly cause a society to disintegrate. There is always enough blame to go around.

    As for Bobby Sands and the hunger strikers, he/they were more than intelligent enough to understand what was at stake. Indeed, the PIRA leadership asked them to come off the strike but were rebuffed, as were the strikers families. There are many good accounts of the events of 1981. Steve McQueen's film Hunger is well worth a watch.
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